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When I lived in an apartment in the U.S., I had a number of Amazon delivery drivers, I think they were Amazon Flex drivers i.e. they were driving their personal

by oefrha 2y ago

When I lived in an apartment in the U.S., I had a number of Amazon delivery drivers, I think they were Amazon Flex drivers i.e. they were driving their personal vehicles, who looked and sounded like it was the first time they’ve been to an apartment building. I wonder if there’s any training whatsoever. Edit: A quick search tells me the “training” is some short videos they may or may not watch.

Yeul 2y ago
Delivery driver is one of those jobs that attracts people down on their luck or desperate. Long hours,low pay and the only requirement is how to drive a car.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  this is a casualty of markets -- in the 1960s California, UPS delivery drivers were very well paid and held to high standards. Customer service was a selling point for UPS at that time.
  - sentientslug 2y ago
    I believe UPS drivers are the exception and are still best paid in industry.
    - jerlam 2y ago
      "UPS says drivers to make $170,000 in pay and benefits following union deal": https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits...
      - mistrial9 2y ago
        reading "Teamsters Local 853 - Drivers - Group 1 Class" for coastal HCL California -- it appears that the base pay rate is $35.95 per hour for a journeyman (practicing member). New hires have 3000 hours to perform before getting journeyman status (about 18 months) and other conditions apply. Trainees are paid less than full journeymen. The Teamsters may have negotiated additional pay package for UPS drivers of various kinds, especially regarding overtime. The fact that the parent comment cites a short national news story, and crucially fails to distinguish between many specialized kinds of drivers among UPS operations, shows superficial knowledge IMHO.
FireBeyond 2y ago
> I wonder if there’s any training whatsoever. Amazon here advertises, and this is closer to a literal quote than paraphrasing: "Need a job? Can pass a background check? Apply today, start tomorrow, no interview required." So I'm sure their attitude to training is probably "as little as possible".

by oefrha 2y ago

Yeul 2y ago

Delivery driver is one of those jobs that attracts people down on their luck or desperate. Long hours,low pay and the only requirement is how to drive a car.

mistrial9 2y ago
this is a casualty of markets -- in the 1960s California, UPS delivery drivers were very well paid and held to high standards. Customer service was a selling point for UPS at that time.
- sentientslug 2y ago
  I believe UPS drivers are the exception and are still best paid in industry.
  - jerlam 2y ago
    "UPS says drivers to make $170,000 in pay and benefits following union deal": https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits-compensation/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-drivers-170000-pay-benefits...
    - mistrial9 2y ago
      reading "Teamsters Local 853 - Drivers - Group 1 Class" for coastal HCL California -- it appears that the base pay rate is $35.95 per hour for a journeyman (practicing member). New hires have 3000 hours to perform before getting journeyman status (about 18 months) and other conditions apply. Trainees are paid less than full journeymen. The Teamsters may have negotiated additional pay package for UPS drivers of various kinds, especially regarding overtime. The fact that the parent comment cites a short national news story, and crucially fails to distinguish between many specialized kinds of drivers among UPS operations, shows superficial knowledge IMHO.

FireBeyond 2y ago

> I wonder if there’s any training whatsoever. Amazon here advertises, and this is closer to a literal quote than paraphrasing: "Need a job? Can pass a background check? Apply today, start tomorrow, no interview required." So I'm sure their attitude to training is probably "as little as possible".