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> Didn’t this start as unlimited anywhere for 9 euros no strings attached? The €9 ticket was a 3 month temporary offer, which was not originally intended to co

> Didn’t this start as unlimited anywhere for 9 euros no strings attached? The €9 ticket was a 3 month temporary offer, which was not originally intended to continue permanently at all. > I LOVE the German transit system (although Denmark wins in cleanliness). However, Germany is a bit predatory with this new system. You can ONLY purchase this ticket as a subscription model. If you’re a tourist, you must cancel before the 10th of the month or you get auto rebilled. The ticket is subsidised by the German government(beyond the amount that all rail infrastructure and most services are subsidised) for the purpose what is covered in the article - encouraging permanent modal shift of regular travellers(primarily commuters) from road to rail. If you're a tourist, it's not meant for you. Sorry.

sadcherry 2y ago
Airtravel is also subsidised by the German tax payer. Much more than the 49 EUR ticket. No matter if you are a tourist or not. (Arguably mostly for tourists actually.)
- kristianp 2y ago
  What's the method of subsidy there? Contributing to Airbus shares?
  - echoangle 2y ago
    Commercial aviation fuel is tax exempt in the EU, I would already count that as a subsidy (yes, I count not taxing something that's normally taxed as a subsidy, even if it isn't done by directly paying out money).
  - Qwertious 2y ago
    Subsidising airports and fuel, presumably.
- jacooper 2y ago
  How is it subsidized while a local flight costs more than an international one? The idea is to push people to use the train, but a train isn't an alternative if it takes 9 hours compared to the 2 hour flight.
  - sadcherry 2y ago
    ICE from Hamburg to Munich is about 5 hours. That's basically the other end of the country. Not sure where 9 hours come from. And your 2 hour flight easily goes to 4-5 hours if you add the security theatre and the extra overhead that transport to/from the airport entails. They are far outside the city whereas central stations are usually in the city center.
lispm 2y ago
> If you're a tourist, it's not meant for you. Sorry. Tourist&foreigners can use the Deutschlandticket, too. But: it's a monthly subscription automatically renewing every month, so one has to cancel it early enough when planning to leave the country. You'll also typically need a smartphone for the ticket.
- dietr1ch 2y ago
  Well, on mobile they make you think you need the app, but it's region locked. I happened to email them about how this is annoying for tourists yesterday and got a very German response, "Downloading the Deutschlandticket.de app from the Google Play Store and Apple App Store is only possible in certain countries." (ikr, it's THE problem)
  - lispm 2y ago
    The ticket is available by other apps, too.
  - layer8 2y ago
    The problem may be that if they offer the app in foreign regions, they are liable to the jurisdiction of those foreign regions.
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    Is a response repeating the thing you just concluded in your mail to them very german?
    - Zak 2y ago
      A factual, but entirely unhelpful response to a customer service query is very German.

sadcherry 2y ago

Airtravel is also subsidised by the German tax payer. Much more than the 49 EUR ticket. No matter if you are a tourist or not. (Arguably mostly for tourists actually.)

kristianp 2y ago
What's the method of subsidy there? Contributing to Airbus shares?
- echoangle 2y ago
  Commercial aviation fuel is tax exempt in the EU, I would already count that as a subsidy (yes, I count not taxing something that's normally taxed as a subsidy, even if it isn't done by directly paying out money).
- Qwertious 2y ago
  Subsidising airports and fuel, presumably.
jacooper 2y ago
How is it subsidized while a local flight costs more than an international one? The idea is to push people to use the train, but a train isn't an alternative if it takes 9 hours compared to the 2 hour flight.
- sadcherry 2y ago
  ICE from Hamburg to Munich is about 5 hours. That's basically the other end of the country. Not sure where 9 hours come from. And your 2 hour flight easily goes to 4-5 hours if you add the security theatre and the extra overhead that transport to/from the airport entails. They are far outside the city whereas central stations are usually in the city center.

lispm 2y ago

> If you're a tourist, it's not meant for you. Sorry. Tourist&foreigners can use the Deutschlandticket, too. But: it's a monthly subscription automatically renewing every month, so one has to cancel it early enough when planning to leave the country. You'll also typically need a smartphone for the ticket.

dietr1ch 2y ago
Well, on mobile they make you think you need the app, but it's region locked. I happened to email them about how this is annoying for tourists yesterday and got a very German response, "Downloading the Deutschlandticket.de app from the Google Play Store and Apple App Store is only possible in certain countries." (ikr, it's THE problem)
- lispm 2y ago
  The ticket is available by other apps, too.
- layer8 2y ago
  The problem may be that if they offer the app in foreign regions, they are liable to the jurisdiction of those foreign regions.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  Is a response repeating the thing you just concluded in your mail to them very german?
  - Zak 2y ago
    A factual, but entirely unhelpful response to a customer service query is very German.