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Using drones to terrorize a city [video]
- consumer451 2y ago[flagged]
- mmh0000 2y agoUm... https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/10/11/terrifying-human-safari-in-kherson-as-russian-drones-hunt-civilians/?ss=aerospace-defense https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/10/11/terrif... Claiming "things aren't covered" just means you aren't looking. May I recommend: (Ignore the subreddit title...): https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/ https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/ https://www.fark.com/ https://www.fark.com/ Nearly /everything/ is covered by the "mainstream media", it's just not usually on the front page which has to be reserved for the most clickbaitiest stuff.
- asah 2y agoWow, /r/anime_titties/ is serious doomscrolling. Not recommended.
- dist-epoch 2y ago[flagged]
- Yasuraka 2y agoPeople do not protest when the government is already doing what they think is right. What should people do, meet up just to chant "thanks for doing the thing, keep doing it" ?
- consumer451 2y agoAs others have mentioned in this thread, russia is a terrorist state. This is but one example. How about at least pushing officials to give an honest answer as to why they are not on the list of terrorist states?
- mattmaroon 2y agoThe honest answer is they have a lot of ICBMs. And besides, what would it do? We’ve got no more sanctions left. Short of invading (which nobody is going to do because of those ICBMs) there’s nothing left to do. We shot our wad on Ukraine sanctions. At this point unless we somehow convince the big nations that still trade with them (like China) to stop, we’ve got no levers to pull, and we don’t care enough to give China whatever massive ask they’d have for that.
- actionfromafar 2y agoWhat to do? Instead of only giving them scraps, send some serious weapons their way. Stop the trickle support, step up.
- consumer451 2y ago> The honest answer is they have a lot of ICBMs. That is not the honest answer. Also, the response to the threat of ICBMs is well known, it's called mutually assured destruction. The honest answer is that it would lead to sanctions on countries who continue to do business with russia. These are countries who we could like to consider as allies, such as India.
- mattmaroon 2y agoNot really. Why would it? Those same allies trade with other nations we’ve designated as terrorists. And we’ve already pulled basically every sanction lever against Russia anyway. At this point we’ve probably sanctioned them more than anyone we call a terrorist state. The difference is nukes.
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- card_zero 2y agoThat would be nice, yes. Like in Civilization where if the citizens are really happy they hold a "we love the king" event. Then your population expands a lot immediately after.
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- encomiast 2y agoNot sure the first-person, movie-trailer-style, "I'm going to make a run for it" while dramatic music plays is really the right way to report this.
- grimpy 2y agoYeah, I get that this aesthetic is how a lot of people consume media these days, but the aesthetics combined with the subject matter is repulsive.
- aaron695 2y ago[dead]
- squarefoot 2y ago100% agree. I'm all for reporting what people in Ukraine (and Palestine/Lebanon) are suffering now, but making a show out of that is not the way. That is not a movie, people are actually dying there.
- wrs 2y agoTypically you can argue about classifying something as “state-sponsored terrorism”, but this is just about the clearest example I could imagine.
- squarefoot 2y ago“Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich.” - Peter Ustinov.
- pajeets 2y agoI don't know who said this quote but "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" also rings true
- type0 2y agoone man's terrorist is another man's war criminal
- jedimind 2y agoone man's terrorist is another man's subject of idol worship. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/23/bernie-sanders-netanyahu-speech https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/23/bern...
- pajeets 2y agoalso relevant: "history is written by the victor" is especially relevant in understanding the Israeli/Palestine crisis. In the Palestine Mandate, Jews and Palestinians got along just fine. That all changed once the ideology that the land belonged to Jews began to make rounds following the conclusion of WW2 and awful events like Holocaust gave rise. It would've been fine if the creation of Israel happened peacefully but its egregiously ignorant to assume the other co-habitants who assumed control much of the land previously would excuse themselves especially when the earliest attempts were violent. It's not clear who fired the first shot in the Palestine/Israeli conflict but its important that those who write the history are essentially the voice of those that won WW2. Had Hitler won WW2, we would absolutely learn how bad one group was and why their extermination was justified. Then as economic prosperity set in, and wealth gap begins to naturally arise as well as freedom of expression, egalitarian ideology quickly spreads. Today's generation that argues that all humans are born equal and a blank slate would be defined as extremist ideology and a President who promotes that belief would be labelled a bigot, racist, and smeared 24/7 by the establishment that descended from the winning ideology. Eventually the political spectrum shifts back to the center violently and proliferation of information via various technological mediums takes foothold, the waters become murkier and the victor's version of history begins to become shaky until it feels threatened enough to launch a purge of its ideology once and for all and those that resist it to become embroiled in a prolonged civil conflict. This gives rise to a future where reality is so remarkably different than what we have, rather people hold a Bayesian model of reality one which is measured by statistics backed by groups of facts from both sides of the political fence. This ultimately results in a much more peaceful and less quarrelsome society one which can finally give path to true enlightenment, raising of the collective human consciousness so that we become interstellar species exactly like what we were supposed to do.
- edm0nd 2y agoInteresting to see that Russia has setup 2000+ cell phone towers in its occupied areas in attempts to gain intel from Ukraine cell phones.
- amelius 2y ago[flagged]
- mattmaroon 2y agoJust yesterday I saw an entire parking lot terrorized by a self-driving model Y that was auto-summoned.
- meowster 2y ago'Video or it didn't happen'? I don't doubt you, I'm just curious to see it :-)
- mattmaroon 2y agoI didn’t take any, it was just an auto summon that kept looking like it was going to hit someone then abruptly braking and creating a log jam. It was funny.
- koiueo 2y agoRumors say, russians are training their pilots this way
- Etheryte 2y agoPeople are being hunted down and killed by unmanned drones, better make a joke about something that occasionally mildly inconveniences me.
- Synaesthesia 2y agoThis happens in Gaza on a massive scale, killing people with drones with mounted guns, or missiles.
- g8oz 2y agoNot sure why you were down as voted as this has been widely documented. https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6357/Gaza:-Israeli-army-expands-its-use-of-quadcopters-to-kill-more-Palestinian-civilians https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6357/Gaza:-Israeli-arm...
- HL33tibCe7 2y agoAny anti-Israel post or comment on this site, no matter how mild, gets downvoted and/or flagged very quickly. If this exact post was a video taken in Gaza, it would never have even reached the front page.
- reducesuffering 2y agoEasily untrue when you have posts like this at 1400 points and comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245 On the front page for 13 hours: https://hnrankings.info/39918245/ https://hnrankings.info/39918245/
- jedimind 2y agoHe's correct and you referencing a single article that is 6 months old, 1 of thousands that survived the flagging by brigading zionists, is not any sufficient evidence to the contrary. One can easily see how many Gaza related articles get immediately flagged and removed here https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals
- reducesuffering 2y ago"He's correct" when I just gave a counterfactual showing "any anti-Israel post" is false? There have been many very prominent posts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39143043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39143043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39603299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39603299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38572675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38572675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40267639 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40267639 How many more do you need? Your bias is showing, same as when different people simultaneously complain that HN is "too left" or "too right."
- nonrandomstring 2y agoIt's a good job that this kind of thing could never happen "over here". Fortunately drones are very expensive and hard to manufacture. They're not sold in toy-shops so that any lunatic could terrorise schools, concert stadiums, airports or other places where lives would be lost in the crush. /s Oh, but we need Amazon to deliver us more pointless tat we don't need and can't afford, and for the cops to "make everybody safe". So keep on cheering and normalising this as benign civil technology rather than as a weapon-system we have very few defences against. EDIT: That took 3 seconds to mod down, Fastest I've ever seen.
- actionfromafar 2y agoWhat action do you suggest?
- nonrandomstring 2y agoI did suggest something in the comment; not glorifying, justifying and pouring money into the development of a technology whose abuses self-evidently vastly outweigh its societal utility. It's practically designed to be a terrorists tool. The "Seven Questions" [0] by Neil Postman are a great read. I think they shhould be mandator reading on any engineering course. [0] https://medium.com/@yogesvr/neil-postmans-seven-questions-to-ask-about-any-technology-0ca713054934 https://medium.com/@yogesvr/neil-postmans-seven-questions-to...
- fractallyte 2y agoConversely, since the US has fallen far short of upholding its obligations, Ukraine has no choice but to trailblaze drone technology. In a fight for survival, there's no time to ponder questions like the ones you linked to...
- fractallyte 2y agoSince critical military aid is only trickling through, Ukraine has been forced to improvise: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ramps-up-arms-production-can-produce-4-million-drones-year-zelenskiy-2024-10-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ramps-up-arms-p...
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoI know this isn’t the same thing at all, but I do feel “terrorized” or at least violated when drones are used even in casual ways. Like when some jerk is flying a buzzing drone around people in a quiet park with nature walks, and ruining the experience for everyone else. It’s extra creepy when they’re flying over children playing at a beach or your backyard or whatever. But how do you stop them and not get in trouble yourself? I feel like the law around drones is not enforced even where it’s clearly illegal to fly them - for example near ship terminals where there are signs about this.
- stavros 2y agoWhile I understand your point, I feel like the "drones are annoying" factors kind of get overshadowed by the guns.
- 05 2y agoPeople can be much more annoying than drones, yet they are legal.. But if you want to embrace your inner Karen, get a Remote ID scanner app for your phone - it shows operator position so you can go confront the person flying..
- AStonesThrow 2y agohttps://xkcd.com/1523/ https://xkcd.com/1523/
- pengaru 2y agoThis guy's content would be far better with less dramatic editing and less of his hyperbolic narration. Hard to resist closing the tab.
- aspect0545 2y agoThis is an annoying, not very informative format. Fuck this. Would be nice to have more objective reporting.
- wojciii 2y agoI suggest you take a look at https://malcontentment.com/ https://malcontentment.com/. They have a Patreon and a podcast with daily news (pdf) from Russian invasion of Ukraine. This is the best source of news. X(Shutter) is filled with propaganda from both sides. The usual news sources are sensational and clickbaity. Is this something you would like to read? While the video is probably a bit much the Russians are hunting civilians with drones and has been doing this for some time according to my sources. Also you can probably find a source with statistics about the number of hospitals and schools destroyed by Russia. Perhaps this will open your eyes?
- autoexec 2y agoI remember Slaughterbots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterbots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterbots) which was a clear warning of what the future would bring if we failed to regulate autonomous weapons that went totally ignored. It was just three years after that video was released that the UN reported the first use of autonomous drones being used in war.
- pajeets 2y agoWhen we do it, its "precision strike" or "human shield penetration". When the other side does, its "terrorism" no matter how small. Terror, violence will never stop more bloodshed, you might get the upper hand today but you are borrowing from the future generation's peace. If a region constantly requires tremendous human sacrifice to exist and constantly at the mercy of spun narratives, should it exist in the first place? If a region constantly uses terror tactics while calling others terrorist, isn't it a sponsor of terrorism?
- wojciii 2y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals... Russia is hitting hospitals, schools and playgrounds on purpose. They are using cluster munitions on civilians and remote mining civilian areas. The drones are just a cheaper way of terrorising the Ukrainian population. This has been going on for years by now.
- udioron 2y ago[flagged]
- motohagiography 2y agothe complexity of drone swarms may create an era of fully programmatic warfare though. this guys apprehension of how cell networks work and care regarding using a UK SIM in a warzone seemed reckless to the point of tourism. kids today, no opsec.
- netsharc 2y agoFuture of warfare, eh? 12 years ago: https://law.stanford.edu/press/living-under-drones-new-report-issued-by-the-international-human-rights-and-conflict-resolution-clinic/ https://law.stanford.edu/press/living-under-drones-new-repor... https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2012-oct-04-la-oe-gibson-drones-civilians-20121004-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2012-oct-04-la-oe-gib... TL;DR: how the US military drones terrorized an entire Pakistani city and bombed with seeming randomness, and impunity.
- Footnote7341 2y agoAren't the civilians in Kherson largely Russian citizens according to the official Russian line here? It's one of the territories they officially annexed.
- kkfx 2y agoI suggest imaging a city where drones are also cars, like robotaxis, no one in the city control nor own, but the sole means of transportation... Does that ring a bell?