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Tesla's Beer-Serving Optimus Robot Was Controlled by a Human the Whole Time
- s5300 2y ago[dead]
- anonbanker 2y agoI don't buy it. The only evidence is the robot itself saying something vague. Their insistence based on flimsy evidence just screams irrational hate intended to inflame confirmation bias.
- steve_adams_86 2y agoI’d argue that Tesla needs to provide stronger evidence for us to believe their claims, not the other way around. It has yet to be shown that these robots can do anything useful in any meaningful timeframe. We’re still well within the sphere of vapour ware that Musk has created for many years now. It would be naive not to ask questions at this point, or not to expect clear answers for that matter.
- michelsedgh 2y agoIts funny how logic goes away when all u see is hatred
- bagels 2y agoLast time the robot was a literally a person in a stretchy suit. Forgive our incredulity that this one wouldn't also be a dog and pony show, not unlike the two concept cars shown (the bus has no ground clearance, and the robocab does not have the lighting required to be sold).
- worstspotgain 2y ago[flagged]
- xpl 2y agoIt's obvious. Imagine the PR disaster if the robot 'hallucinated' and said something inappropriate, or worse, accidentally pushed or hit someone. Why take the risk when everything needs to run smoothly? The first time they showed Optimus, they literally had a human in the suit, so this is a huge step forward. That said, a teleoperated humanoid body is an impressive tech feat by itself, seriously.
- worstspotgain 2y agoOnly if by "run smoothly" you mean "any publicity is good publicity."
- hindsightbias 2y agoWhat if millions no longer needed to cross borders and could telehandle flipping your burgers? Rising tides… You’d think a WFH bastion would be more open minded.
- wodenokoto 2y agoThen sell it as that, not as an AI.
- tapoxi 2y agoI mean we have robots doing telesurgery regularly (Da Vinci), serving drinks is literally a party trick.
- xpl 2y agoIt's actually difficult to achieve even something as simple as getting a robot to stand upright. Most of them walk with bent knees and constantly shift from one foot to the other (e.g. Boston Dynamics).
- worstspotgain 2y ago[flagged]
- iwaztomack 2y agoGuy owns two AI companies and still is a decade behind.
- briandw 2y agoBehind whom? You are most likely referring to Boston Dynamics based on the 10 year comment. Optimus doesn't do back flips, so sure it's 10 years behind on backflips. Boston Dynamics famously doesn't do AI for control, not sure what you are talking about.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- akmarinov 2y agoDoes Tesla? All we’ve seen is remote operation
- iwaztomack 2y agoIt's on par with Asimo, when not being controlled by a remote human. But you're probably too young to remember what Asimo is.
- TiredOfLife 2y agoNotably the current humanoid Boston Dynamics robot also doesn't do backflips.
- forgot-im-old 2y ago[flagged]
- wnevets 2y agoImagine falling for this pt bardum act in the year 2024.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoI think everyone knows, but pretend to not know. Why? Because most people do not have any other option. Play along in the hopes of some scrap. This, LinkedIn posts, Leetcode, Slack conversations, are all this gigantic game of everybody knows is BS but still play along.
- TheAlchemist 2y agoI don't think so. In case of Tesla it's just fraud. People do believe him - there is no doubt that a lot of people do believe the robots seen yesterday were autonomous and they will invest in Tesla accordingly.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoThey are the dum dum folks I mentioned in another comment.
- TheAlchemist 2y agoEven experienced tech bloggers or investors were confused and duped. MKBHD didn't know neither if they are autonomous or teleoperated. Its amazing that Tesla didn't tell people - there are thousands of video clips on X now of people interacting with them and not mentioning its all fake - and Elon is saying something like "let people see the clips and judge by themselves". At this stage it's 100% fraud and deceiving investors.
- xyst 2y agoIt’s all a Potemkin Village.
- edm0nd 2y agoThe future is going to be so weird and interesting. Imagine being able to control these things remotely and then walking a few of them into a bank to rob it. Then the robots attach the stolen money/goods to a drone which then flies off to another point to drop off the loot to its threat actors and masters who then get away. I suppose the price points of them will need to come down drastically before this becomes commonplace and normal. Leaving $150k of burner robots behind to steal $50k doesn't seem that financially feasible. We are gunna have a lot of new interesting laws in the pipeline. Imagine having to solve a captcha to get into a building or buildings who have to install anti-robot traps and technology to prevent them from entering. We already have man traps, now we'll need robot traps.
- seadan83 2y agoWhat if the bank is also mostly staffed by robots? The crypto crowd would probably ask, "what banks?" I like the thought experiment.
- blisterpeanuts 2y agoI had a nightmare the other day of robots grabbing people and harvesting their organs.
- owenpalmer 2y agoCaptchas serve one purpose: free training data for FSD
- briandw 2y agoThey didn't say otherwise, they showed robots walking around and doing things, but never said anything about not having people controlling them. It was clear that there was a person that was talking on the other end if you listen to the video. Honestly having 20 tele-operated robots walking around in a crowd is pretty impressive. I haven't seen anything like that before.
- FireBeyond 2y ago> They didn't say otherwise It was literally their "Autonomy Event". Right there in the title.
- briandw 2y agoYeah sure, that's the promise in the future, it's a demo of an unreleased product. It's all about someday when they are done. It was pretty clear from the talk at the beginning that Optimus is years out from being for sale to consumers.
- ulfw 2y agoThen what's the point of the event if you can't even show a prototype? A big announcement of "a promise in the future"? Like hyperloop or "rockets flying from New York to Tokyo and to Mars in 2024"? Or the 2017 Roadster?
- more_corn 2y agoThis is some mental gymnastics.
- zimpenfish 2y ago> it's a demo of an unreleased product. I dunno, if it's not actually an autonomous robot, I'd say it's more a non-demo of a fantasy product.
- FireBeyond 2y ago> It was pretty clear from the talk at the beginning that Optimus is years out from being for sale to consumers. So he's walking back this, then: "Tesla could start selling Optimus robots by the end of [2025], Musk says" "Musk told investors on a conference call that he guessed the Tesla robot, called Optimus, would be able to perform tasks in the factory by the end of [2024]." Let's not even talk about how it would be "financially irresponsible" to not own a Tesla by 2019 because it will be making you "$30,000 a year in your sleep".
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoOf course it was.. Which dum dum still believes any of this is actually real? It's all a wink wink, stock pump show which didn't work this time.
- Animats 2y agoNot surprised. As I wrote yesterday, the videos of the robots performing household tasks look much smoother than the actual walking robots seen live. Tesla is not doing well as a car company. Tesla needs a good, low-cost car. Something that can compete with the BYD Seal, which reviews indicate is a good low-priced electric car. BYD is taking over the world of electric cars outside the US.[1] Only tariffs keep them from taking over the US market. They have many new models at good prices. BYD even has a pickup truck now. Tesla also is not doing too well in batteries. Despite "Battery Day" and other hype, Tesla failed at making cells themselves.[2] They buy cells from Panasonic and CATL, mostly. Panasonic has some plants co-located with Tesla, but they're Panasonic technology. Plus Tesla still has trouble with parts and service. The company is twenty years old now. They should have that figured out. Tesla did fix its production volume problems. But "according to its own figures, the electric automaker produced 46,561 more vehicles than it delivered to customers during the first quarter of 2024. Where are all these cars going? Parking lots at its factories, malls and airports."[3] Tesla launched the electric car industry. But they've blown their lead. This is what happens when the CEO's attention is elsewhere. Will someone please get Musk into drug rehab? He used to be good at this stuff. [1] https://www.byd.com/us/news-list https://www.byd.com/us/news-list [2] https://electrek.co/2024/07/17/elon-musk-might-give-up-tesla-4680-battery-cell-end-of-the-year/ https://electrek.co/2024/07/17/elon-musk-might-give-up-tesla... [3] https://jalopnik.com/tesla-is-running-out-of-room-to-store-unsold-cars-1851473377 https://jalopnik.com/tesla-is-running-out-of-room-to-store-u...
- worstspotgain 2y ago[flagged]
- FireBeyond 2y ago> Plus Tesla still has trouble with parts and service. The company is twenty years old now. They should have that figured out. I think there's more nuance to this. It seems much more that, to Elon, every part sitting on a shelf for parts availability, repair and service is a part that's not on the production line going on a vehicle to increase the almighty quarterly numbers. Tesla -could- solve this tomorrow, but the Boss Man doesn't care. He has your money, and he wants to sell you another one, not repair yours.
- LarsDu88 2y agoImpressive that the machine was that good of an avatar, but it was pretty darn suspicious all the robots had different accents. I mean are we to believe that Tesla designed their robots to have a California dude accent, a Chicano accent, AND an Indian accent just for the hell of it? I'd love to see footage of the backroom where they no doubt had a bunch of operators with Valve Indexes and VR headsets.
- light_triad 2y agoThe robots pretend to work, while the audience pretends to be mystified. "People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses"
- etca2z 2y agoSo, ‘fake it until you make it’ is Elon’s success mantra
- berbec 2y agoHow many more years before we can expect some making? Elon's been running Tesla for quite some time now...
- freitasm 2y agoCan we agree that he is leading the company down a path which it will be really hard to come back from later?
- blisterpeanuts 2y agoI think a sub-$30K sedan will be quite successful, if it can carry 4+ people, 350+ range etc.
- Kirby64 2y agoWhat indicates such a product is coming from Tesla? The robotaxi is only 2 door. Unless you mean continued price cuts to the 3, which seems… ambitious.
- blisterpeanuts 2y agoUnless they are planning a 2-bench version of the cyber taxi, same basic chassis and internals but a conventional passenger car, then yes, probably their next move has to be discounts to Model 3. Would require some significant cost savings even beyond the giga press and other strategies being employed. Maybe make it in Monterey...
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- gorpy7 2y agoThe goal of this robot is not just to be as articulating as existing bots but to do so cheaply. so it’s, as often said, about the factory that makes them not the bespoke million dollar shelf pieces we’ve seen before. in some cases, like the actuators, they are making in-house, otherwise, the strategy is likely to be to use as many cheap existing hardwares as possible to get the movement without the costs of greater complexity. let the software handle the rest.
- CatDaaaady 2y ago"...Agatha All Along"
- rsynnott 2y agoWell, I mean (a) duh, obviously, but (b) if I was a tech company trying to build hype around something, I would start by _definitely not inviting Robert Scoble_. Not after the Google Glass Shower Incident.
- bamboozled 2y agoThe Musk grift continues…
- almog 2y agoSomeone should bring a big faraday cage next time
- iancmceachern 2y agoChuck E Cheese' was more advanced
- tim333 2y agoVid of remote control for Optimus, and some bots at the event admiting remote control https://x.com/TroyTeslike/status/1845047695284613344 https://x.com/TroyTeslike/status/1845047695284613344