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The idea is that if enough people use ride sharing, the total number of cars needed will decrease, therefore, the needed space to put those cars will decrease.

The idea is that if enough people use ride sharing, the total number of cars needed will decrease, therefore, the needed space to put those cars will decrease. It doesnt necessarily require that everyone use it, but its about reducing the total number of cars necessary. If the density of these cars are sufficiently high, I can see a world where not owning a car is more convenient than owning one (if it isnt cost prohibitive).

piyuv 2y ago
That world and system exists, its called public transportation and Europe
- orwin 2y ago
  Even in europe a lot of people do own cars. If you have a friend network that really works you can manage without (we share two cars between 5 drivers), but realistically extremely cheap rideshare would be better for us in the long term (we lucked out on a deal with a car dealer who closed shop in a hurry, but now the cars are 12 years old and it start to show, even sharing the repair bills)
  - fmobus 2y ago
    Extremely cheap ride share already exists, it's called public transit. Small vehicles will never solve traffic, and will never be cheap, no matter the level of automation they implement. Labour cost is just one part of the equation.
kristopolous 2y ago
This was the claim of ride-sharing about 10 years ago but studies showed the opposite, that it actually increased congestion. Clean, effective, prompt, affordable, quickly constructed mass transit however, does seem to work. I'm not anti-robo-taxi or pro-mass-transit. Instead, if the value is fewer cars and less carparks, mass transit with the aforementioned properties has been shown to work. Sadly the United States has been unable to hit those notes with their projects (LA's metro, for example, is still constructing approximately the Prop A system approved by voters, in 1980, 44 years ago: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Los_Angeles_County_Proposition_A_rail_rapid_transit_system_map.png/800px-Los_Angeles_County_Proposition_A_rail_rapid_transit_system_map.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Lo...) so in that specific case, it's murkier.
gcr 2y ago
Elon’s highly individualistic. I feel like his communal car-sharing society vision is at odds with that. How will that dialectic resolve?

piyuv 2y ago

That world and system exists, its called public transportation and Europe

orwin 2y ago
Even in europe a lot of people do own cars. If you have a friend network that really works you can manage without (we share two cars between 5 drivers), but realistically extremely cheap rideshare would be better for us in the long term (we lucked out on a deal with a car dealer who closed shop in a hurry, but now the cars are 12 years old and it start to show, even sharing the repair bills)
- fmobus 2y ago
  Extremely cheap ride share already exists, it's called public transit. Small vehicles will never solve traffic, and will never be cheap, no matter the level of automation they implement. Labour cost is just one part of the equation.

kristopolous 2y ago

This was the claim of ride-sharing about 10 years ago but studies showed the opposite, that it actually increased congestion. Clean, effective, prompt, affordable, quickly constructed mass transit however, does seem to work. I'm not anti-robo-taxi or pro-mass-transit. Instead, if the value is fewer cars and less carparks, mass transit with the aforementioned properties has been shown to work. Sadly the United States has been unable to hit those notes with their projects (LA's metro, for example, is still constructing approximately the Prop A system approved by voters, in 1980, 44 years ago: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Los_Angeles_County_Proposition_A_rail_rapid_transit_system_map.png/800px-Los_Angeles_County_Proposition_A_rail_rapid_transit_system_map.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Lo...) so in that specific case, it's murkier.

gcr 2y ago

Elon’s highly individualistic. I feel like his communal car-sharing society vision is at odds with that. How will that dialectic resolve?