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On Mac OS: https://kagi.com/orion/ https://kagi.com/orion/

codetrotter 2y ago
From the Orion FAQ: > Is Orion open-source? > We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future. > Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please consider becoming active on orionfeedback.org.
- vinnymac 2y ago
  I won’t be touching this binary with a ten foot pole until every line of code is open. Many excellent alternatives already exist that are also open and free, I don’t see a compelling argument to use this software on any device at the moment.
  - freediver 2y ago
    Curious why exactly and what is wrong with closed source paid for products? By that token nobody should be touching Safari or iOS/macOS for that matter?
    - throwaway98346 2y ago
      > By that token nobody should be touching Safari or iOS/macOS for that matter? Ideally, yes.
  - neoromantique 2y ago
    Fair play, but by that logic you shouldn't touch Mac OS as well, so the whole thing is moot since Mac OS is the only OS that is supported by Orion.
  - mbs159 2y ago
    > I won’t be touching this binary with a ten foot pole until every line of code is open. You say this while using macOS? lmao
- madeofpalk 2y ago
  Isn't Webkit GPL? How is it not open source?
  - codetrotter 2y ago
    https://webkit.org/licensing-webkit/ https://webkit.org/licensing-webkit/ WebKit is part LGPL, and part BSD. So I think from purely a licensing point of view, they are probably not in violation. Provided that the way they are linking the LGPL-licensed code is compatible with the LGPL. But like the other commenter said, I too would not run any web browser that was not fully open source, like this Orion browser.
    - madeofpalk 2y ago
      If they are forking Webkit, like they say, doesn't that require they distribute the source to their fork? Even if they don't have to distribute the browser linking to it? Or do I not understand the obligations of LGPL?
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  - freedomben 2y ago
    Just a general rule of thumb that has served me well: If it's GPL, Apple wouldn't be using it. Apple hates the GPL as it is the antithesis of their operating model.
frizlab 2y ago
Orion is amazing.
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Etheryte 2y ago
I love Kagi, but I wish they focused on their core product first. Search is a hard problem to nail down and there's no shortage of bugs in Kagi right now, their issue tracker is a solid testament to that. When they spread their attention and resources between multiple products, they run the risk of pulling a Mozilla and shooting themselves in the foot multiple times.
- Spivak 2y ago
  They do focus on their core product first. I hang out in their discord, it's first priority always. Their other ventures are in service of the search engine— FastGPT powers quick answers, universal summarizer powers the "summarize this link" feature, small web is their go at an index of their own. Orion is kind of a stretch I think, but they do see it as being in service of their search product as it's the only way they'll ever be the default search engine anywhere.
daveidol 2y ago
Interesting! So it’s basically like Safari but with actual good web extension support (safari’s answer to extensions is terrible)

From the Orion FAQ: > Is Orion open-source? > We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future. > Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please consider becoming active on orionfeedback.org.

vinnymac 2y ago
I won’t be touching this binary with a ten foot pole until every line of code is open. Many excellent alternatives already exist that are also open and free, I don’t see a compelling argument to use this software on any device at the moment.
- freediver 2y ago
  Curious why exactly and what is wrong with closed source paid for products? By that token nobody should be touching Safari or iOS/macOS for that matter?
  - throwaway98346 2y ago
    > By that token nobody should be touching Safari or iOS/macOS for that matter? Ideally, yes.
- neoromantique 2y ago
  Fair play, but by that logic you shouldn't touch Mac OS as well, so the whole thing is moot since Mac OS is the only OS that is supported by Orion.
- mbs159 2y ago
  > I won’t be touching this binary with a ten foot pole until every line of code is open. You say this while using macOS? lmao
madeofpalk 2y ago
Isn't Webkit GPL? How is it not open source?
- codetrotter 2y ago
  https://webkit.org/licensing-webkit/ https://webkit.org/licensing-webkit/ WebKit is part LGPL, and part BSD. So I think from purely a licensing point of view, they are probably not in violation. Provided that the way they are linking the LGPL-licensed code is compatible with the LGPL. But like the other commenter said, I too would not run any web browser that was not fully open source, like this Orion browser.
  - madeofpalk 2y ago
    If they are forking Webkit, like they say, doesn't that require they distribute the source to their fork? Even if they don't have to distribute the browser linking to it? Or do I not understand the obligations of LGPL?
- deleted 2y ago
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- freedomben 2y ago
  Just a general rule of thumb that has served me well: If it's GPL, Apple wouldn't be using it. Apple hates the GPL as it is the antithesis of their operating model.

frizlab 2y ago

Orion is amazing.

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Etheryte 2y ago

I love Kagi, but I wish they focused on their core product first. Search is a hard problem to nail down and there's no shortage of bugs in Kagi right now, their issue tracker is a solid testament to that. When they spread their attention and resources between multiple products, they run the risk of pulling a Mozilla and shooting themselves in the foot multiple times.

Spivak 2y ago
They do focus on their core product first. I hang out in their discord, it's first priority always. Their other ventures are in service of the search engine— FastGPT powers quick answers, universal summarizer powers the "summarize this link" feature, small web is their go at an index of their own. Orion is kind of a stretch I think, but they do see it as being in service of their search product as it's the only way they'll ever be the default search engine anywhere.

daveidol 2y ago

Interesting! So it’s basically like Safari but with actual good web extension support (safari’s answer to extensions is terrible)