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Well, author's caveats noted, but the big problem with day rates is that ALMOST EVERY CLIENT I EVER HAD WANTS A FIXED PRICE QUOTE. This will no doubt vary by co
by niobe 2y ago
Well, author's caveats noted, but the big problem with day rates is that ALMOST EVERY CLIENT I EVER HAD WANTS A FIXED PRICE QUOTE. This will no doubt vary by country/region/industry quite a bit, but it's almost a given for my customer base, public and private sector.
On the other hand, fixed price quotes can also be a little less than transparent, and clients like transparency about how you're charging.
I use the best of both worlds:
- Bigger jobs: anything more than 5 days, I quote a fixed cost, BUT I provided my estimated work effort in days in the quote and client can deduce my rate from there.
If I do it quicker, great, client is not worried, they already agreed to the quote, and I'm incentivised to be efficient (but also maintain quality or I wouldn't get the repeat business). If a job goes a bit longer, well that's on me and my estimates as a first point. Over the years I've got quite good at estimating work effort, and antipating issues and things that will slow projects down, so there's really been few issues with this approach. As a second point, if something is really going long I can just ask for a variation. Usually I will only need to do this if there's a strong justification, and in 100% of those situation the client has approved extra charges.
- Small jobs: just a fixed price
This is for simplicity and because small jobs have a disproportionate amount of admin and project mgmt overhead. Rather than inflating my rates for small jobs I would rather just pick a reasonable total price and then make it work at my end.
No real issues with this in over 12+ years of technology consulting. The one minor thing is when I'm subtracting to a company that does NOT like to be transparent, and then I'm basically arming them with the information to take advantage of me. So here and there I've had my services marked up 30-50% from what I'm charging (up to 20% is reasonable) but it's a relatively rare situation.
Note: internally I always track time in 15 minute increments and round up or down. So I also have the data if it's asked for but more importantly the ability to see if I'm on budget and if my quoting is accurate.
- hinkley 2y agoWe had a cost plus project with state government once but the project owner got drunk on the ability to change his mind whenever he wanted and eventually his boss had a fit when he figured out how little progress we’d actually made due to all of the requirements shifts. And then come a new year we were on a fixed price project with a guy who couldn’t change gears that fast. It did not end well. In large part because we started by lying to ourselves about how long it would take.
- nbk_2000 2y agoI used to operate as you're describing and appreciate the skill required to do so, but I eventually found it impacted my ability to transition a fixed scope engagement into an open-scope engagement. I've since found it more enjoyable, profitable, and beneficial to the client, to bill daily rates and let the client stretch the scope as much as they like (which they often do once they see the value my company brings).
- nickff 2y ago“Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized.“ https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ilaksh 2y agoWhat type of projects are they exactly?
- mpeg 2y agoAt least in the UK day rates are extremely common, much more than fixed price for individual contractors. I actually prefer fixed price with the right client – as sometimes the actual work ends up being say 2-3 weeks stretched over a couple months but you get paid £50-100k because the project is fixed cost. What I would say away from is fixed price for anything under £15-20k – it's just not worth it and they will often try to extract as much time as possible