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Ideally this should pre-load the BBC weather page so switching to it is (near-)immediate. Currently it can take a while to load. Replace all DOM and then replac

by arp242 2y ago

Ideally this should pre-load the BBC weather page so switching to it is (near-)immediate. Currently it can take a while to load. Replace all DOM and then replace URL should do it. There is also the matter of history; if I load the demo page, click that button, and press "back" then I'm on the demo page again. And of course it'll be in the browser history. I have to question how practically useful this is. Ctrl+W or middle click on tab isn't that far off. Or open private window and close that, which is a smart thing to do anyway. Never mind that computers and internet access is ubiquitous enough these days that "using the family computer" for this sort of thing isn't really needed in the first place. Overall this seems like a IE5-era solution that's pretty outdated and useless today. Perhaps even worse than useless because the implementation is so-so and protection it offers low. Overall, I'd say telling people to use private windows and teaching then Ctrl+W is probably better.

Moogs 2y ago
> Ctrl+W or middle click on tab isn't that far off The point of shift x3 is that it's consistent across keyboard layouts including laptops. I have a laptop where the location of the ctrl key is moved inward to make room for the function key. I frequently hit Fn instead of Ctrl and don't realize what's happening until I look at my keyboard. And that's not when I'm in distress. Same goes for middle click. It's not a consistent interaction. On some laptops you can left click and right click to get a middle click. On my laptop, it's a three finger tap. > Never mind that computers and internet access is ubiquitous enough these days that "using the family computer" for this sort of thing isn't really needed in the first place. In a normal situation, this is true, but this is UI design for people in extraordinary situations. Their abuser may have taken their cellphone or other devices and may not have a choice in what computer they use or when they have access to it. Nothing about this prevents private windows or Ctrl+W (assuming they have another window open so it doesn't look suspicious that they're staring at a blank desktop), it just gives victims a quick action they can take to prevent immediate retaliation.
- eviks 2y ago
  > I frequently hit Fn instead of Ctrl and don't realize what's happening until I look at my keyboard. And that's not when I'm in distress. Same goes for middle click. It's not a consistent interaction. Triple Shift that you can only on a single website is worse since you're even less likely to be able to use it in distress Besides, as a site you can try to add typo-similar combinations for your "hide" action (like alt+w or win+w) instead of creating a totally different one
seszett 2y ago
> Never mind that computers and internet access is ubiquitous enough these days that "using the family computer" for this sort of thing isn't really needed in the first place. I'm just glad you're not in charge of this kind of services because although that might seem like an obvious thing to you, the reality is that the people needing that information the most are the ones who are the least likely to have easy access to a personal device with Internet access. In particular, children and women in dysfunctional, abusive relationships are not very often provided with a smartphone and a data plan by their abusers. I agree that the shift shortcut is unlikely to be of much use, but it's just one available method in addition to the rest.
- tourist2d 2y ago
  > women in dysfunctional, abusive relationships are not very often provided with a smartphone and a data plan This sounds like something which you have no evidence at all for claiming.
  - seszett 2y ago
    I don't have evidence but I do have experience on this. I'm not sure why you would be the quickly dismissive of something that would seem obvious to many.
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    I mean, it’s a ‘water is wet’ kind of statement. Prisoners aren’t provided a mobile phone and data plan either.
  - jakkos 2y ago
    I knew a person who was in abusive relationships where the abuser would keep making ridiculous claims that the person was cheating on them, and made them give up having their own phone as "proof" that they wouldn't cheat. Of course, the abuser was cheating the whole time.
  - guappa 2y ago
    They were kept without computers and internet access: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-19711022 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-19711022 So it does happen, contrary to what you claim.
vladvasiliu 2y ago
> I have to question how practically useful this is. Ctrl+W or middle click on tab isn't that far off. Or open private window and close that, which is a smart thing to do anyway. Users probably don't want to attract attention by using a private window (which they may or may not think about using), and most browsers I've seen have a distinct appearance when in private mode. Ctrl+W in normal mode has the issue of leaving a trail: Ctrl-Shift-T or similar will bring it back.
- arp242 2y ago
  > Ctrl+W in normal mode has the issue of leaving a trail: Ctrl-Shift-T or similar will bring it back. That also exists with this button: just press "back". Even easier.
bjoli 2y ago
I think you are underestimating how much being in an abusive relationship or even just poverty in general (poor people are more likely to be abused, so they're double punished) reduces your options and opportunities. This goes for everything. Place where you live. The food that is on offer. Work opportunities, and with that the ability to plan life. Even living large enough to have a private space, like offering your kids an undisturbed place to study or - like in the post - somewhere you can safely report abuse. I have seen it more than once: if someone from a poor family grows up and does really well in school and in college and breaks with the life they had before that is usually not enough. Because when there is time to write a CV the kids from the middle class all had parents that made them do other things. Charity work. Play the trumpet with a youth orchestra that somehow got to play in Carnegie hall. Chemistry camp. Dancing with a youth ballet company at the met. The system is rigged from the start. True meritocracy was never a thing. A feature like this takes a developer a short time to implement, and if it saves someones life or stops abuse it is worth it.
- labster 2y ago
  Your description is exactly meritocracy under the original definition. The second kid has earned all of the merits, and the ones possessing the most documents of merit get ahead.
  - bjoli 2y ago
    Fair point. But: the way the modern meritocracy is motivated is that it is a fair system. It is the whole idea of the American dream. Work hard and you can go anywhere. Except some people have to work a lot harder and be a lot smarter.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    It would be meritocracy if both kids had equal opportunity to earn those merits. If the ability to do so is itself gated, it's only meritocratic within the privileged group.
    - labster 2y ago
grujicd 2y ago
Samsung Magician on Windows uses CTRL+W as a global shortcut and then it doesn't work in browser anymore. That took a while to figure out.
- Toutouxc 2y ago
  That's completely idiotic and whoever came up with that (apparently it even blocks crouch + walk in some games) should be tarred and feathered.
- BlueTemplar 2y ago
  In what context ?? I've been using both for years, never had this issue ??
lupusreal 2y ago
Believe it or not, a lot of users don't understand the control key and are afraid to touch it because they think it might break their computer. They may not even be able to readily find it on their keyboard since they aren't accustomed to using it, but do tune out and skim over the things on their computer they think they can't understand.
dangsux 2y ago
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erinaceousjones 2y ago
> Overall, I'd say telling people to use private windows and teaching then Ctrl+W is probably better. Yes, you should do that as well as understand that, for things like this, where you're providing information for vulnerable people across an entire population, your people are going to span a huge range of technical literacy and you will not be able to reach all of them in time. Give them the big red escape button with the special "dial 999" style memorable key combo as well as teach them everything else. But triage and do the "this solution works for the broadest number of people the quickest" thing first - the big red button.
rafram 2y ago
You can only replace the URL with another URL on the same domain. Otherwise a site could make itself look like Google and then replace its URL with Google’s, and you’d have no way of knowing that it isn’t Google.

by arp242 2y ago

Moogs 2y ago

> Ctrl+W or middle click on tab isn't that far off The point of shift x3 is that it's consistent across keyboard layouts including laptops. I have a laptop where the location of the ctrl key is moved inward to make room for the function key. I frequently hit Fn instead of Ctrl and don't realize what's happening until I look at my keyboard. And that's not when I'm in distress. Same goes for middle click. It's not a consistent interaction. On some laptops you can left click and right click to get a middle click. On my laptop, it's a three finger tap. > Never mind that computers and internet access is ubiquitous enough these days that "using the family computer" for this sort of thing isn't really needed in the first place. In a normal situation, this is true, but this is UI design for people in extraordinary situations. Their abuser may have taken their cellphone or other devices and may not have a choice in what computer they use or when they have access to it. Nothing about this prevents private windows or Ctrl+W (assuming they have another window open so it doesn't look suspicious that they're staring at a blank desktop), it just gives victims a quick action they can take to prevent immediate retaliation.

eviks 2y ago
> I frequently hit Fn instead of Ctrl and don't realize what's happening until I look at my keyboard. And that's not when I'm in distress. Same goes for middle click. It's not a consistent interaction. Triple Shift that you can only on a single website is worse since you're even less likely to be able to use it in distress Besides, as a site you can try to add typo-similar combinations for your "hide" action (like alt+w or win+w) instead of creating a totally different one

seszett 2y ago

> Never mind that computers and internet access is ubiquitous enough these days that "using the family computer" for this sort of thing isn't really needed in the first place. I'm just glad you're not in charge of this kind of services because although that might seem like an obvious thing to you, the reality is that the people needing that information the most are the ones who are the least likely to have easy access to a personal device with Internet access. In particular, children and women in dysfunctional, abusive relationships are not very often provided with a smartphone and a data plan by their abusers. I agree that the shift shortcut is unlikely to be of much use, but it's just one available method in addition to the rest.

tourist2d 2y ago
> women in dysfunctional, abusive relationships are not very often provided with a smartphone and a data plan This sounds like something which you have no evidence at all for claiming.
- seszett 2y ago
  I don't have evidence but I do have experience on this. I'm not sure why you would be the quickly dismissive of something that would seem obvious to many.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I mean, it’s a ‘water is wet’ kind of statement. Prisoners aren’t provided a mobile phone and data plan either.
- jakkos 2y ago
  I knew a person who was in abusive relationships where the abuser would keep making ridiculous claims that the person was cheating on them, and made them give up having their own phone as "proof" that they wouldn't cheat. Of course, the abuser was cheating the whole time.
- guappa 2y ago
  They were kept without computers and internet access: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-19711022 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-19711022 So it does happen, contrary to what you claim.

vladvasiliu 2y ago

> I have to question how practically useful this is. Ctrl+W or middle click on tab isn't that far off. Or open private window and close that, which is a smart thing to do anyway. Users probably don't want to attract attention by using a private window (which they may or may not think about using), and most browsers I've seen have a distinct appearance when in private mode. Ctrl+W in normal mode has the issue of leaving a trail: Ctrl-Shift-T or similar will bring it back.

arp242 2y ago
> Ctrl+W in normal mode has the issue of leaving a trail: Ctrl-Shift-T or similar will bring it back. That also exists with this button: just press "back". Even easier.

bjoli 2y ago

I think you are underestimating how much being in an abusive relationship or even just poverty in general (poor people are more likely to be abused, so they're double punished) reduces your options and opportunities. This goes for everything. Place where you live. The food that is on offer. Work opportunities, and with that the ability to plan life. Even living large enough to have a private space, like offering your kids an undisturbed place to study or - like in the post - somewhere you can safely report abuse. I have seen it more than once: if someone from a poor family grows up and does really well in school and in college and breaks with the life they had before that is usually not enough. Because when there is time to write a CV the kids from the middle class all had parents that made them do other things. Charity work. Play the trumpet with a youth orchestra that somehow got to play in Carnegie hall. Chemistry camp. Dancing with a youth ballet company at the met. The system is rigged from the start. True meritocracy was never a thing. A feature like this takes a developer a short time to implement, and if it saves someones life or stops abuse it is worth it.

labster 2y ago
Your description is exactly meritocracy under the original definition. The second kid has earned all of the merits, and the ones possessing the most documents of merit get ahead.
- bjoli 2y ago
  Fair point. But: the way the modern meritocracy is motivated is that it is a fair system. It is the whole idea of the American dream. Work hard and you can go anywhere. Except some people have to work a lot harder and be a lot smarter.
- int_19h 2y ago
  It would be meritocracy if both kids had equal opportunity to earn those merits. If the ability to do so is itself gated, it's only meritocratic within the privileged group.
  - labster 2y ago

grujicd 2y ago

Samsung Magician on Windows uses CTRL+W as a global shortcut and then it doesn't work in browser anymore. That took a while to figure out.

Toutouxc 2y ago
That's completely idiotic and whoever came up with that (apparently it even blocks crouch + walk in some games) should be tarred and feathered.
BlueTemplar 2y ago
In what context ?? I've been using both for years, never had this issue ??

lupusreal 2y ago

Believe it or not, a lot of users don't understand the control key and are afraid to touch it because they think it might break their computer. They may not even be able to readily find it on their keyboard since they aren't accustomed to using it, but do tune out and skim over the things on their computer they think they can't understand.

dangsux 2y ago

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erinaceousjones 2y ago

> Overall, I'd say telling people to use private windows and teaching then Ctrl+W is probably better. Yes, you should do that as well as understand that, for things like this, where you're providing information for vulnerable people across an entire population, your people are going to span a huge range of technical literacy and you will not be able to reach all of them in time. Give them the big red escape button with the special "dial 999" style memorable key combo as well as teach them everything else. But triage and do the "this solution works for the broadest number of people the quickest" thing first - the big red button.

rafram 2y ago

You can only replace the URL with another URL on the same domain. Otherwise a site could make itself look like Google and then replace its URL with Google’s, and you’d have no way of knowing that it isn’t Google.