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Maybe if google sold more products to the feds they wouldn't be so brazen as to kill them off
by duped 2y ago
Maybe if google sold more products to the feds they wouldn't be so brazen as to kill them off
- ta1243 2y agoGoogle doesn't really sell products though, not to businesses. It sells individual data to businesses, it sells advertising to businesses. The only thing the government will be interested in is the spying which they aren't allowed to do, but unaccountable corporations are allowed to do. As people become more aware of this it means google becomes less and less useful.
- spankalee 2y agoGoogle does not sell individual's data to businesses. Where do you even get that notion?
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- pembrook 2y agoDefacto, yes they do, that’s the entire value proposition of their advertising model — that they can target customers better than any other platform due to buying intent signals from search queries. When companies buy ads with Google they’re quite literally bidding for microtargeted user intent data.
- lotsofpulp 2y agoThat is not “de facto” selling data about an individual to other businesses. No one can go to Google and buy information about a specific person.
- pembrook 2y agoI think we’re just arguing semantics. No, you can’t buy user data on 1 specific person (then again, there’s many examples of people buying ads on a persons name to catch them googling themselves), but you can buy user data on small groups of people.
- nox101 2y agoNo you can't. It's not semantics. It's reality. You can't buy data on people or groups of people from google any more than you can buy data on people from NBC, ABC, CBS. From TV stations you can buy ads during specific programs. That's it. From Google you can buy ads. You can not buy data. Data is something you can do something with on your own, analyse it, etc. Google does not give you data.
- pembrook 2y agoI don’t think you understand how Google ads work. Here’s a super common example: - I sell red bowling shoes - I pay Google for access to anyone searching for ‘red bowling shoes’ - Once they land on my site I know who came via the Google ad (via the URL params) - A certain percentage converts, and I get their personal info and payment info I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with that chain of events! It’s a win-win for both buyer and seller. However, to argue that no data was sold is disingenuous at best. Google is the monopoly broker of the intent data on every buyer in the world. Why should I let Google profit off of my thoughts/interests? Why shouldn’t I be making the money that the bowling shoe manufacturer paid to access my thoughts/interests?
- Kbelicius 2y ago> - I pay Google for access to anyone searching for ‘red bowling shoes’ You pay to show your website to people searching for red bowling shoes. > However, to argue that no data was sold is disingenuous at best. No user data has been sold.
- kelnos 2y agoI don't really see how you're coming to the conclusion that chain of events constitutes the sale of user data. Google has sold ad placement, not user data. When a TV station sells ad time to a company, and then someone sees the ad, comes into the store, and says "hey, I saw your TV ad while watching Law & Order", we don't say that the TV station has sold data to the merchant.
- maeil 2y agoThey likely can, even if indirectly. [1] > I'm going by this document from the Irish Council for Civil Liberties and a lawsuit brought against Google, signed by member of Congress, that alleged data brokers are "siphoning" off bid-stream data and reselling it . It makes the claim that U.S Dept of Homeland Security uses real-time bidding data for warrant-less phone tracking. > https://www.iccl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Mass-data-breach-of-Europe-and-US-data-1.pdf?utm_source=simpleanalytics.com https://www.iccl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Mass-data-bre... > https://www.tampabay.com/news/2021/05/07/google-selling-users-personal-data-despite-promise-federal-court-lawsuit-claims/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/2021/05/07/google-selling-user... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41762264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41762264
- duped 2y agoGCP isn't a B2B product?
- 0xB31B1B 2y agoGCP doesn't make money
- stackskipton 2y agoYes but it's tiny compared to Google Revenue and when I messed with it, it wasn't 100% certified for Government use. Meaning if you used it for Government, you could only use select products vs Microsoft and Amazon which certified almost all their products.
- surajrmal 2y agoIt was 10B out of 84B in the latest quarter and growing a lot faster than other revenues. It's not really what I would call tiny.
- surajrmal 2y agoWhat data does Google sell exactly? As far as I know they sell impressions.
- guappa 2y agoIt sells them all of our data.