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- sidcool 2y agoIt's the same as saying all whites are racist. Both are wrong.
- Rinzler89 2y ago[flagged]
- axus 2y agoI'm American and we're infamous for lots of things.
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- worthless-trash 2y agoThere are only four things (US) do better than anyone else: music, movies, microcode (software), and high-speed pizza delivery. - Neal Stephenson
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoAnd most of those are being challenged... except maybe high-speed pizza delivery.
- febusravenga 2y agoReading this piece right now. better late than never!
- Rinzler89 2y ago>(US) do better than anyone else: music, movies That was true till 10-20 years ago or so when we had things like the Matrix and Lord of the Rings, but most of the modern entertainment content coming out of the US right now is not only low quality predictable slop but also filled with US-centric political messaging, identity politics and virtue signaling that nobody else outside the US identifies with or wants to pay for. Taht why so many bomb.
- worthless-trash 2y agolets hope that these undesirable elements of movie making are short lived and history sees it as a glitch. I want stories, not politics for my entertainment.
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- actionfromafar 2y agoSome people say it to mean that. But another perspective is that there can be racist structures which do not sit in any one individual. So you can be personally non-racist but somewhat trapped in such structures. If you go against the grain, you can risk life-and-limb (hey, Godwin!) or in a less extreme setting, socially ostracized.
- f1shy 2y ago>> that there can be racist structures which do not sit in any one individual. So you can be personally non-racist This is exactly what I understand under “racist culture”, certainly not “all indians are racist”
- f1shy 2y agoI do not understand “… is in culture X” same as “all X are …”
- iinnPP 2y agoThere's a not insignificant group of people who go out of their way to avoid their culture. So no, they are not the same.
- AmericanChopper 2y agoTo say that some quality is embedded in a culture isn’t even close to the same as saying all people originating from that culture possess that quality. The extent to which India’s (racist) caste system is embedded in its culture is hardly up for serious debate, the influence it has in India has basically been proven by science at this point. > https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has-left-its-mark-on-indians-genomes https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has... A hypothetical claim that all Indians are racist would clearly be absurd, but it’s hardly surprising to find a group of Indians practicing something that is openly part of their native culture.
- Molitor5901 2y agoI don't think everyone is racist but I do believe that everyone has strong tribal preference. In my opinion, people feel most comfortable around those who are most like them. This is why you can look at any food market, friend group, etc. and see so few groups of people of mixed cultures. It's very natural. Racism is when you discriminate against another race/culture, even if it's just "he speaks my language, I can understand him better.."
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- bravetraveler 2y agoAs a casual observer, their culture seems to include considerable classism; to the degree that 'where are you from?' appears to be an extremely common and loaded question [saved for the locals]. I only recognize it because it exists in mine, not a judgement.
- redrove 2y agoThat exists in the EU as well, although certainly not to the same extent. If you've never felt it, that just means you're from the countries that look down on other european countries :)
- Dalewyn 2y agoClassism exists basically everywhere. The most obvious example is the country bumpkin, he's gonna have a hard time impressing a metropolitan.
- rand846633 2y agoInteresting projection. Do I understand you correctly, you know that other countries look down on you because you think they do?
- DebtDeflation 2y agoDon't tiptoe around the topic. By class you mean caste. As a white guy who has worked in tech for 25+ years and has made many Indian friends, I continue to be astounded by how fixated many (obviously not all) of them are on caste. In particular, how much time and effort gets spent trying to suss out each others' caste by asking questions like you noted. Every time we get a new Indian team member and the existing ones start asking him where his parents are from and I see him start to uncomfortably evade answering while all of the other non_Indians in the room have no idea what is happening, it starts to make ME feel uncomfortable.
- suyash 2y agonot a cultural reason, it's financial, they wanted to pay less to Americans.
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- avip 2y agoRacism is embedded in human nature and in every culture. Though it takes different forms. I don't think "Indians" deserve any special mention on that one.
- hnbad 2y agoIt's telling that we're quick to ascribe anything bad to "human nature" while balking at the notion that anything positive might also be human nature. Greed and exploitation? Yes, absolutely, human nature, nothing you can do about it. Racism? Totally human nature, just look at this random animal species. Cooperation, trust, hospitality? No, those must be unique virtues expressed only by the pure of heart or the naive, just think of the wolves. Nevermind that "race" as a concept did not exist in the modern sense in Western cultures prior to colonization despite the exposure to other peoples with other skin tones from other parts of the world. Nevermind that cooperation and aiding the weak and forming alliances has been the only thing keeping us alive as naked, defenseless animals that need to sustain our young for years before they can carry their weight, feed themselves, let alone fend for themselves.
- rexreed 2y agoBefore there was race there were tribes. Which goes back to the very roots of humanity.
- krageon 2y agoWith respect, it can be hard to see the nuance in this if you're from the US (a country that is so racist even the government openly practices it, but sanctimonious enough to pretend it is instead free).
- throwaway48476 2y agoThere were also species, denisovans, Neanderthals etc.
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- beo5 2y agoCan I say then - what a surprise a blanket racist statement. And to add comments by others on how superior their culture is. Must be a American/European.
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- Cthulhu_ 2y agoI believe you to be a culture war bot or shill, given your standpoints and hiding behind a new account. First off, third world is an archaic word, it stopped being relevant after the cold war ended. Using that now is a clear dogwhistle. Second, you mention Judeo-Christian foundations, isn't one of the base tenents of that to "love your neighbour"? Anyway, that too is archaic, as most developed countries have a clear separation of church, state, and culture ever since the Enlightenment. It's a shame the US seems to be backsliding.
- dang 2y ago"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- paulryanrogers 2y agoWestern countries aren't strong or desirable because of narrow minded monotheistic religion. Every culture has some good and bad traits. Ideally immigration makes us all better as we learn from one another. Isolated cultures tend to become stagnant and weaker over time.
- jackcosgrove 2y agoI do expect new arrivals to acculturate, not to Judeo-Christian values but rather to liberalism. (In the philosophical sense, not the bastardized way the term is used in American politics.) This is because liberalism evolved as a response to sectarianism and developed tools to allow people with different worldviews to live and work together.
- portaouflop 2y agoRacism is embedded in every culture to some extent. As always it depends on the details.
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- dang 2y agoPlease don't start hellwars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- seper8 2y agoI should have phrased it differently, sorry.