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Spam (created by humans) evolves. So do humans. If Google prioritizes AI slop, Google will be deprioritized.

by walterbell 2y ago

mrinfinitiesx 2y ago
Already is. I suggest everybody else de-google as well.
- lostlogin 2y ago
  Just tested on Kagi, and it’s catching a similar set of images. I massively rate Kagi, but this is way less than ideal.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    I just did it on Kagi and except for the obvious stock.adobe.com ones, all of the AI generated images were from snopes and media sites repeating this story, but I have quite a few sites blocked (pinterest is definitely nuked)
- jackyinger 2y ago
  Would you care to share what you do instead? For search in particular, the g-suite, etc. are not such a big deal. I'm really hoping for something other than use duck duck go / bing / etc. because AFAIK they all serve advertisement funded trash and I've yet to hear a really compelling alternative, tho I've been too lazy/busy to try Kagi.
  - echelon 2y ago
    We need a slim p2p social network swarm protocol. If we could subscribe and suggest content along our interest graphs, we would control the algorithm and could prune slop with ease. It'd be incredibly awesome if news, forums, and social media worked like BitTorrent.
  - JoshTriplett 2y ago
    > I'm really hoping for something other than use duck duck go / bing / etc. because AFAIK they all serve advertisement funded trash DDG lets you turn ads off completely.
  - ajdude 2y ago
    I know you said that you've been too lazy and busy to try it, but I am very happy with Kagi. If you don't want a search engine that serves advertisement funded Trash , then I recommend supporting the search engine whose business model is to provide searches without ads via subscription. My search lists are curated very well through my settings and even just using the recommended block list keeps a lot of junk out of my search results. If I find a bad site, I can block it from all future results pretty quickly. I also can use regex on the URL's in the search result to redirect things like Reddit to old.reddit automatically. It's very nice.
- ropable 2y ago
  I tried the same search on DDG and Bing, and saw a variety of the same fake images on both. The monster is already past the gate.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
I really don't think that's the case. The lesson of the 2020s internet is that the biggest players have become too big to be disrupted. The masses are fully here now. They're too passive to know or care what's going on. They stick with the path of least resistance: Google, Amazon, Reddit, Twitter, etc. No matter how hostile or shitty those options become. We have to put aside the way we've thought about the internet before now because it doesn't apply anymore. There will be no more MySpace -> Facebook. The internet is no longer made up of a high enough percentage of conscientious and deliberate users to make a difference.
smt88 2y ago
AI slop (or convincing lies) is not distinguishable from genuine, human-generated content. Machines definitely can't do it, and humans often can't either. That problem with get worse.
- vbezhenar 2y ago
  Why is that a problem, anyway? If machines can play chess better than any human, it is reasonable to assume that they can write articles better than many humans. What's wrong with Internet filled with good content generated by AI?
  - smt88 2y ago
    AI can't create good (meaning truthful) content. It's literally impossible for LLMs to be hallucination free. It's just not how they work. The problem is going to get worse as hallucinations are used as training data because even the AI companies can't tell the difference between AI content and human content.
cortesoft 2y ago
You don't think the AI content creators will target the next search engine if Google fails? I don't think Google WANTS to prioritize AI slop, they just are unable to not do it.

Spam (created by humans) evolves. So do humans. If Google prioritizes AI slop, Google will be deprioritized.

mrinfinitiesx 2y ago

Already is. I suggest everybody else de-google as well.

lostlogin 2y ago
Just tested on Kagi, and it’s catching a similar set of images. I massively rate Kagi, but this is way less than ideal.
- throwup238 2y ago
  I just did it on Kagi and except for the obvious stock.adobe.com ones, all of the AI generated images were from snopes and media sites repeating this story, but I have quite a few sites blocked (pinterest is definitely nuked)
jackyinger 2y ago
Would you care to share what you do instead? For search in particular, the g-suite, etc. are not such a big deal. I'm really hoping for something other than use duck duck go / bing / etc. because AFAIK they all serve advertisement funded trash and I've yet to hear a really compelling alternative, tho I've been too lazy/busy to try Kagi.
- echelon 2y ago
  We need a slim p2p social network swarm protocol. If we could subscribe and suggest content along our interest graphs, we would control the algorithm and could prune slop with ease. It'd be incredibly awesome if news, forums, and social media worked like BitTorrent.
- JoshTriplett 2y ago
  > I'm really hoping for something other than use duck duck go / bing / etc. because AFAIK they all serve advertisement funded trash DDG lets you turn ads off completely.
- ajdude 2y ago
  I know you said that you've been too lazy and busy to try it, but I am very happy with Kagi. If you don't want a search engine that serves advertisement funded Trash , then I recommend supporting the search engine whose business model is to provide searches without ads via subscription. My search lists are curated very well through my settings and even just using the recommended block list keeps a lot of junk out of my search results. If I find a bad site, I can block it from all future results pretty quickly. I also can use regex on the URL's in the search result to redirect things like Reddit to old.reddit automatically. It's very nice.
ropable 2y ago
I tried the same search on DDG and Bing, and saw a variety of the same fake images on both. The monster is already past the gate.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

I really don't think that's the case. The lesson of the 2020s internet is that the biggest players have become too big to be disrupted. The masses are fully here now. They're too passive to know or care what's going on. They stick with the path of least resistance: Google, Amazon, Reddit, Twitter, etc. No matter how hostile or shitty those options become. We have to put aside the way we've thought about the internet before now because it doesn't apply anymore. There will be no more MySpace -> Facebook. The internet is no longer made up of a high enough percentage of conscientious and deliberate users to make a difference.

smt88 2y ago

AI slop (or convincing lies) is not distinguishable from genuine, human-generated content. Machines definitely can't do it, and humans often can't either. That problem with get worse.

vbezhenar 2y ago
Why is that a problem, anyway? If machines can play chess better than any human, it is reasonable to assume that they can write articles better than many humans. What's wrong with Internet filled with good content generated by AI?
- smt88 2y ago
  AI can't create good (meaning truthful) content. It's literally impossible for LLMs to be hallucination free. It's just not how they work. The problem is going to get worse as hallucinations are used as training data because even the AI companies can't tell the difference between AI content and human content.

cortesoft 2y ago

You don't think the AI content creators will target the next search engine if Google fails? I don't think Google WANTS to prioritize AI slop, they just are unable to not do it.