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My roomba can't do the whole room without screwing up or getting stuck, it feels like we are eons away from a robot being able to do what you describe autonomou

My roomba can't do the whole room without screwing up or getting stuck, it feels like we are eons away from a robot being able to do what you describe autonomously.

modeless 2y ago
A few short years ago we were eons away from passing the Turing test.
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  Are we not still? How can you tell?
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  What? There has been some odd people fooled by computers since the 70s, and 10 years ago we had competitions where the best hint people claimed they had was if their interlocutors were good at math or not. It was clear 10 years ago that the Turing test would be beat soon.
  - modeless 2y ago
    My point is really that a lot of people thought we were eons away. "It was clear" to you, but your opinion was not shared by the majority probably until at least GPT-2 at the very earliest (2019). (Note that the sibling comment to yours still doesn't believe we are close...) Similarly, today a lot of people think we are eons away from useful general purpose robots, but it is clear to me that they are coming soon.
    - marcosdumay 2y ago
      That we'd beat the Turing test soon was a majoritarian opinion around here. Honestly, I wasn't even that well informed to make my own. I kept postponing looking at the chatbots until after it was beat.
      - modeless 2y ago
        I disagree. 10 years ago there were people who thought that but they were far from the majority.
- Barrin92 2y ago
  We're still eons away from passing the Turing test, we just keep lowering the bar for what the test is because some people spend too much time on the internet and want Her to be real too badly. This is a conversation I try every time a new version of some LLM comes out: https://chatgpt.com/share/eee38567-99d2-4dd2-a781-08b297e86d1e https://chatgpt.com/share/eee38567-99d2-4dd2-a781-08b297e86d...
  - Workaccount2 2y ago
    Why does that conversation fail the Turing test?
    - grumpwagon 2y ago
      Granted there are some people on earth who can speak those 3 languages fluently, but it greatly diminishes the pool of available people. If you wanted to take the example to the absurd, you could just start listing more languages, and ChatGPT would happily spit out the answer translated to 100 languages in a few seconds. No person could do that.
  - modeless 2y ago
    ChatGPT is not trained to pass the Turing test. It is trained to be as superhuman as possible. I have no doubt that OpenAI could train a system to pass the Turing test within a year if that was their objective. In fact it seems like an anti-objective for them. Now that's not to say that such a system would be undetectable by any possible adversarial technique. The Turing test is not unambiguously defined, but my definition would have it conducted with average well-educated people not specializing in AI and not having special knowledge of adversarial techniques for the specific machine being tested.
  - _yb2s 2y ago
    I’d say it goes very much against the spirit and idea behind the Turing test to fail an AI for having superhuman abilities it fails to hide. As much as I admire Turing, I don’t think this particular idea of his was a sound one- an intelligent computer is not human, and lacks a human brain. It should be expected to be better at some things, worse at others, and overall noticeably different… even long after it exceeds human intelligence levels.

My roomba can't do the whole room without screwing up or getting stuck, it feels like we are eons away from a robot being able to do what you describe autonomously.

modeless 2y ago

A few short years ago we were eons away from passing the Turing test.

jcgrillo 2y ago
Are we not still? How can you tell?
marcosdumay 2y ago
What? There has been some odd people fooled by computers since the 70s, and 10 years ago we had competitions where the best hint people claimed they had was if their interlocutors were good at math or not. It was clear 10 years ago that the Turing test would be beat soon.
- modeless 2y ago
  My point is really that a lot of people thought we were eons away. "It was clear" to you, but your opinion was not shared by the majority probably until at least GPT-2 at the very earliest (2019). (Note that the sibling comment to yours still doesn't believe we are close...) Similarly, today a lot of people think we are eons away from useful general purpose robots, but it is clear to me that they are coming soon.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    That we'd beat the Turing test soon was a majoritarian opinion around here. Honestly, I wasn't even that well informed to make my own. I kept postponing looking at the chatbots until after it was beat.
    - modeless 2y ago
      I disagree. 10 years ago there were people who thought that but they were far from the majority.
Barrin92 2y ago
We're still eons away from passing the Turing test, we just keep lowering the bar for what the test is because some people spend too much time on the internet and want Her to be real too badly. This is a conversation I try every time a new version of some LLM comes out: https://chatgpt.com/share/eee38567-99d2-4dd2-a781-08b297e86d1e https://chatgpt.com/share/eee38567-99d2-4dd2-a781-08b297e86d...
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  Why does that conversation fail the Turing test?
  - grumpwagon 2y ago
    Granted there are some people on earth who can speak those 3 languages fluently, but it greatly diminishes the pool of available people. If you wanted to take the example to the absurd, you could just start listing more languages, and ChatGPT would happily spit out the answer translated to 100 languages in a few seconds. No person could do that.
- modeless 2y ago
  ChatGPT is not trained to pass the Turing test. It is trained to be as superhuman as possible. I have no doubt that OpenAI could train a system to pass the Turing test within a year if that was their objective. In fact it seems like an anti-objective for them. Now that's not to say that such a system would be undetectable by any possible adversarial technique. The Turing test is not unambiguously defined, but my definition would have it conducted with average well-educated people not specializing in AI and not having special knowledge of adversarial techniques for the specific machine being tested.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  I’d say it goes very much against the spirit and idea behind the Turing test to fail an AI for having superhuman abilities it fails to hide. As much as I admire Turing, I don’t think this particular idea of his was a sound one- an intelligent computer is not human, and lacks a human brain. It should be expected to be better at some things, worse at others, and overall noticeably different… even long after it exceeds human intelligence levels.