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vichle 2y ago
Could you elaborate, which wars did he start? (honest question)
- ulkram 2y ago
  "He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan." https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/
  - vichle 2y ago
    Technically not the same thing but ironic/hypocritical nonetheless.
  - medo-bear 2y ago
    nah no way. i thought obama kool https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIUm1E4OcI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIUm1E4OcI so you can arguably add ukraine crisis to that list
  - sekai 2y ago
    > "He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan." https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/ A bit different from "started a war".
    - mardifoufs 2y ago
      If someone launched an airstrike against the continental US, what exactly would that mean?
    - YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago
      Just because those countries could not realistically engage in a war with the US, seeing as they lack the necessary technology. Obviously, if you shoot fish in a barrel you're not starting a war with the fish, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're doing much to advance peace with the fish.
  - varjag 2y ago
    So the Great War with Pakistan turns out to be checks notes the raid on OBL compound?
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  Tangential to your question but not the premise of this subthread/post - he became president in Feb 2009 and got the award in October. I don't think he started any new wars, but he inherited some and continued. Anyway, the point here should be the absurdity of a lot of Nobel awards and that stands - especially in his case. I mean Trump was nominated for the award for fuck's sake! More than 2 or 3 times iirc. So anyway.
  - matsemann 2y ago
    The Nobel peace prize is awarded by a different institution than the science ones. And there are hundreds of people that can nominate, doesn't mean that a nomination reflects anything upon the committee that awards the prize.
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    - simiones 2y ago
      Each of the Nobel prizes is awarded by a different committee from a different organization. The Nobel Peace prize was established at the same time and in the same way as the Literature, Physics, Physiology or Medicine, and Chemistry prizes (through Alfred Nobel's will). Of course, by its nature, it is the most political of the prizes. The only Nobel prize that is separate is the Economics one, which was established much later and has no connection to Alfred Nobel (it is paid for by Sweden's central bank instead of the Nobel estate). But even that one is administered by the same Nobel foundation.
  - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
    Obama intervened in the Libyan civil war. The outcome was disastrous for Libya (13 years of chaos and counting, the entrance of ISIS into Libya, the re-emergence of slavery in Libya, to name a few consequences). Obama blatantly violated the War Powers Act, which requires the President to seek Congressional approval for any war waged abroad after 60 days. The act was passed on the tail end of the Vietnam War, to prevent a repeat of things like Nixon invading Cambodia in secret. The US Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war, but that power is absolutely meaningless if the President can just wage war wherever he chooses without a declaration. Obama specifically won the Nobel Peace Prize for talking about his "vision of a world free from nuclear weapons" as a candidate. As President, he initiated a massive program to upgrade the US' nuclear arsenal. It made a complete mockery of the Nobel Peace Prize, though Kissinger also won the Nobel Peace Prize, so it's not as if the prize has any credibility anyways.
- simiones 2y ago
  In addition to the other replies, he is the only US president in modern history to explicitly authorize the assassination of a US citizen without a trial, and create a legal doctrine allowing future presidents to do so; and he was the major escalator of the use of drone strikes in war (the practice started with Bush, but it expanded many fold under Obama).
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  - jay-barronville 2y ago
    > […] [Obama] is the only US president in modern history to explicitly authorize the assassination of a US citizen without a trial Just one of the many things Obama did that upsets me so much. The precedent he set with that is criminal. Of course I’m against terrorism, but our government MUST NOT have the right to classify Americans as terrorists and just execute them without a trial—via drone strikes! Most Americans likely don’t even know about what happened to the al-Awlaki’s, which is unfortunate.
Arkhaine_kupo 2y ago
This is such a tired reply. The peace prize is not part of the same group as the other awards, and a significant difference in the peace award is that intent is awarded not results. The dude who invented the MAD doctrine did not get the award despite nuke deterrance doctrice being related to the least amount of wars in any century since WW2. But his platform of deescalation and his plans for american foregin diplomacy were rewarded. He ultimately failed to reach those goals (specially with the escalation on Afghanistan and the emergence of groups like ISIS), but tbh the Iran agreement and the Pacific trade agreement, killed and buried by the next administration, would have created a massive buffer and solution for the 2 hotspots we currently experience around the middle east (where terrorism is largely sponsored by Iran) and the Taiwan takeover by the CCP (would also be partially neutralised by the Pacific trade talks). He was naive, in the way the world was naive to the ability to sacrifice prosperity that some leaders are capable of. He underestimated how dumb and suicidal putin could be, he underestimated how much China would be willing to sacrifice in terms of potential, he underestimated how much violence was latent and capable in the middle east. but his nobel peace prize was due to his campaign running on nuclear proliferation treaties and closer relationships with the muslim world which had been entirely antagonistic since Bush
- haunter 2y ago
  > This is such a tired reply. The peace prize is not part of the same group as the other awards It’s called a Nobel prize and it was established by the will of Alfred Nobel. So yes it’s the same
  - Arkhaine_kupo 2y ago
    Well its the only one selected by Norway instead of Sweden, its also the only one selected on intent and not achievements. So its not the same in important ways
- vasco 2y ago
  The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The award shouldn't have been given for intentions, before he even did anything. We should not reward promises, but action. Even a long term member of the committee expressed regret in them giving it to Obama.
hshshshsvsv 2y ago
That was the whole point of nobel prize in first place lol.
okintheory 2y ago
Absolutely. This makes very little sense, IMO, and is a bad look for the committee, trying to claim 'physics' for something that clearly is not.
ginko 2y ago
>Looks like an award to increase the reputation of the Nobel prize. If anything it stains the reputation of the Nobel prize to me. How seriously can you take the Nobel committee after this?
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vichle 2y ago

Could you elaborate, which wars did he start? (honest question)

ulkram 2y ago
"He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan." https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/
- vichle 2y ago
  Technically not the same thing but ironic/hypocritical nonetheless.
- medo-bear 2y ago
  nah no way. i thought obama kool https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIUm1E4OcI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIUm1E4OcI so you can arguably add ukraine crisis to that list
- sekai 2y ago
  > "He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan." https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/ A bit different from "started a war".
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    If someone launched an airstrike against the continental US, what exactly would that mean?
  - YeGoblynQueenne 2y ago
    Just because those countries could not realistically engage in a war with the US, seeing as they lack the necessary technology. Obviously, if you shoot fish in a barrel you're not starting a war with the fish, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're doing much to advance peace with the fish.
- varjag 2y ago
  So the Great War with Pakistan turns out to be checks notes the raid on OBL compound?
crossroadsguy 2y ago
Tangential to your question but not the premise of this subthread/post - he became president in Feb 2009 and got the award in October. I don't think he started any new wars, but he inherited some and continued. Anyway, the point here should be the absurdity of a lot of Nobel awards and that stands - especially in his case. I mean Trump was nominated for the award for fuck's sake! More than 2 or 3 times iirc. So anyway.
- matsemann 2y ago
  The Nobel peace prize is awarded by a different institution than the science ones. And there are hundreds of people that can nominate, doesn't mean that a nomination reflects anything upon the committee that awards the prize.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - simiones 2y ago
    Each of the Nobel prizes is awarded by a different committee from a different organization. The Nobel Peace prize was established at the same time and in the same way as the Literature, Physics, Physiology or Medicine, and Chemistry prizes (through Alfred Nobel's will). Of course, by its nature, it is the most political of the prizes. The only Nobel prize that is separate is the Economics one, which was established much later and has no connection to Alfred Nobel (it is paid for by Sweden's central bank instead of the Nobel estate). But even that one is administered by the same Nobel foundation.
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
  Obama intervened in the Libyan civil war. The outcome was disastrous for Libya (13 years of chaos and counting, the entrance of ISIS into Libya, the re-emergence of slavery in Libya, to name a few consequences). Obama blatantly violated the War Powers Act, which requires the President to seek Congressional approval for any war waged abroad after 60 days. The act was passed on the tail end of the Vietnam War, to prevent a repeat of things like Nixon invading Cambodia in secret. The US Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war, but that power is absolutely meaningless if the President can just wage war wherever he chooses without a declaration. Obama specifically won the Nobel Peace Prize for talking about his "vision of a world free from nuclear weapons" as a candidate. As President, he initiated a massive program to upgrade the US' nuclear arsenal. It made a complete mockery of the Nobel Peace Prize, though Kissinger also won the Nobel Peace Prize, so it's not as if the prize has any credibility anyways.
simiones 2y ago
In addition to the other replies, he is the only US president in modern history to explicitly authorize the assassination of a US citizen without a trial, and create a legal doctrine allowing future presidents to do so; and he was the major escalator of the use of drone strikes in war (the practice started with Bush, but it expanded many fold under Obama).
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- jay-barronville 2y ago
  > […] [Obama] is the only US president in modern history to explicitly authorize the assassination of a US citizen without a trial Just one of the many things Obama did that upsets me so much. The precedent he set with that is criminal. Of course I’m against terrorism, but our government MUST NOT have the right to classify Americans as terrorists and just execute them without a trial—via drone strikes! Most Americans likely don’t even know about what happened to the al-Awlaki’s, which is unfortunate.

Arkhaine_kupo 2y ago

This is such a tired reply. The peace prize is not part of the same group as the other awards, and a significant difference in the peace award is that intent is awarded not results. The dude who invented the MAD doctrine did not get the award despite nuke deterrance doctrice being related to the least amount of wars in any century since WW2. But his platform of deescalation and his plans for american foregin diplomacy were rewarded. He ultimately failed to reach those goals (specially with the escalation on Afghanistan and the emergence of groups like ISIS), but tbh the Iran agreement and the Pacific trade agreement, killed and buried by the next administration, would have created a massive buffer and solution for the 2 hotspots we currently experience around the middle east (where terrorism is largely sponsored by Iran) and the Taiwan takeover by the CCP (would also be partially neutralised by the Pacific trade talks). He was naive, in the way the world was naive to the ability to sacrifice prosperity that some leaders are capable of. He underestimated how dumb and suicidal putin could be, he underestimated how much China would be willing to sacrifice in terms of potential, he underestimated how much violence was latent and capable in the middle east. but his nobel peace prize was due to his campaign running on nuclear proliferation treaties and closer relationships with the muslim world which had been entirely antagonistic since Bush

haunter 2y ago
> This is such a tired reply. The peace prize is not part of the same group as the other awards It’s called a Nobel prize and it was established by the will of Alfred Nobel. So yes it’s the same
- Arkhaine_kupo 2y ago
  Well its the only one selected by Norway instead of Sweden, its also the only one selected on intent and not achievements. So its not the same in important ways
vasco 2y ago
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The award shouldn't have been given for intentions, before he even did anything. We should not reward promises, but action. Even a long term member of the committee expressed regret in them giving it to Obama.

hshshshsvsv 2y ago

That was the whole point of nobel prize in first place lol.

okintheory 2y ago

Absolutely. This makes very little sense, IMO, and is a bad look for the committee, trying to claim 'physics' for something that clearly is not.

ginko 2y ago

>Looks like an award to increase the reputation of the Nobel prize. If anything it stains the reputation of the Nobel prize to me. How seriously can you take the Nobel committee after this?

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