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Well because it's their competitor, who now has a huge legally-enforced advantage.

by mvdtnz 2y ago

Electricniko 2y ago
I liked the absurdity of one of the top comments on the Verge article, which was that under the requirements of this ruling, Apple could open up an app store for Android and Google would be forced to put it on their Play Store.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Meanwhile, Google can't even put their own wildly popular web browser on the Apple app store
  - SllX 2y ago
    Chrome is on there and people still use it. It’s just not using Blink. Web browser ≠ rendering engine.
    - nijave 2y ago
      Is a web browser still a web browser if you remove the rendering engine? I would say not.
      - SllX 2y ago
        Is a rendering engine still a web browser if you remove all the chrome and extra features built around the rendering engine? I would say not. And it has a rendering engine: the iOS WebKit engine. It’s not Google’s preferred rendering engine and Chrome isn’t my choice of browser well, anywhere at all actually, but it’s still a functional web browser.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > Is a rendering engine still a web browser if you remove all the chrome and extra features built around the rendering engine? Is that supposed to be a counterargument? If you can't replace the rendering engine, then you're not able to install your own web browser. If you can only replace the rendering engine, then you're not able to install your own web browser. Both of these can easily be true at the same time. > And it has a rendering engine Which is replacing the one that was removed. When they used the word "removed" they weren't trying to imply you get a black screen.
        SllX 2y ago
        >>> Is a web browser still a web browser if you remove the rendering engine? >> Is a rendering engine still a web browser if you remove all the chrome and extra features built around the rendering engine? > Is that supposed to be a counterargument? Only as much as what I was responding to was an argument. > If you can't replace the rendering engine, then you're not able to install your own web browser. Except that is literally not true if a rendering engine is available to you to use. > Which is replacing the one that was removed. “Removed” would imply there was ever another rendering engine in use on Chrome for iPhones. The Chrome that is in the App Store now is one that Google chose to ship and call Chrome. People like and use it too. I think we can agree that WebKit is being subbed in over Google’s preferred choice of rendering engines though.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > Only as much as what I was responding to was an argument. What you said could be the start of a counterargument to someone that says renderer==browser. But they never said that. Their argument only depends on replacing the renderer being a sometimes-necessary component of installing your own browser. Talking about replacing the renderer but not the UI is a thought experiment that doesn't counter that. > Except that is literally not true if a rendering engine is available to you to use. Only if everyone agrees with your personal definition of browser. Many people don't. > “Removed” would imply there was ever another rendering engine in use on Chrome for iPhones. No, it just implies their starting point for making their iOS browser included the chrome codebase.
rezonant 2y ago
A meaningless advantage. Apple does not compete with Google to distribute apps on Android and Google does not compete with Apple to distribute apps on iOS. The value (to consumers) of the App Store is not that it is so locked down, but rather that it is the only way for people to put apps on the phones they have already bought. But wait, you might say, Apple actually can open an app store on Android and compete with Google now! But c'mon, it'll be a cold day in hell when Apple helps make the case that these rules should also apply to them.

Well because it's their competitor, who now has a huge legally-enforced advantage.

by mvdtnz 2y ago

Well because it's their competitor, who now has a huge legally-enforced advantage.

I liked the absurdity of one of the top comments on the Verge article, which was that under the requirements of this ruling, Apple could open up an app store for Android and Google would be forced to put it on their Play Store.

freedomben 2y ago
Meanwhile, Google can't even put their own wildly popular web browser on the Apple app store
- SllX 2y ago
  Chrome is on there and people still use it. It’s just not using Blink. Web browser ≠ rendering engine.
  - nijave 2y ago
    Is a web browser still a web browser if you remove the rendering engine? I would say not.
    - SllX 2y ago
      Is a rendering engine still a web browser if you remove all the chrome and extra features built around the rendering engine? I would say not. And it has a rendering engine: the iOS WebKit engine. It’s not Google’s preferred rendering engine and Chrome isn’t my choice of browser well, anywhere at all actually, but it’s still a functional web browser.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        > Is a rendering engine still a web browser if you remove all the chrome and extra features built around the rendering engine? Is that supposed to be a counterargument? If you can't replace the rendering engine, then you're not able to install your own web browser. If you can only replace the rendering engine, then you're not able to install your own web browser. Both of these can easily be true at the same time. > And it has a rendering engine Which is replacing the one that was removed. When they used the word "removed" they weren't trying to imply you get a black screen.
        SllX 2y ago
        >>> Is a web browser still a web browser if you remove the rendering engine? >> Is a rendering engine still a web browser if you remove all the chrome and extra features built around the rendering engine? > Is that supposed to be a counterargument? Only as much as what I was responding to was an argument. > If you can't replace the rendering engine, then you're not able to install your own web browser. Except that is literally not true if a rendering engine is available to you to use. > Which is replacing the one that was removed. “Removed” would imply there was ever another rendering engine in use on Chrome for iPhones. The Chrome that is in the App Store now is one that Google chose to ship and call Chrome. People like and use it too. I think we can agree that WebKit is being subbed in over Google’s preferred choice of rendering engines though.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > Only as much as what I was responding to was an argument. What you said could be the start of a counterargument to someone that says renderer==browser. But they never said that. Their argument only depends on replacing the renderer being a sometimes-necessary component of installing your own browser. Talking about replacing the renderer but not the UI is a thought experiment that doesn't counter that. > Except that is literally not true if a rendering engine is available to you to use. Only if everyone agrees with your personal definition of browser. Many people don't. > “Removed” would imply there was ever another rendering engine in use on Chrome for iPhones. No, it just implies their starting point for making their iOS browser included the chrome codebase.

rezonant 2y ago

A meaningless advantage. Apple does not compete with Google to distribute apps on Android and Google does not compete with Apple to distribute apps on iOS. The value (to consumers) of the App Store is not that it is so locked down, but rather that it is the only way for people to put apps on the phones they have already bought. But wait, you might say, Apple actually can open an app store on Android and compete with Google now! But c'mon, it'll be a cold day in hell when Apple helps make the case that these rules should also apply to them.