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I'm aware of single/custom car special procedures, but last I checked the Cybertruck can't get a type approval in any EU country. Individual registering them vs

I'm aware of single/custom car special procedures, but last I checked the Cybertruck can't get a type approval in any EU country. Individual registering them vs. not being able to register them doesn't really make a difference for the argument, does it? Honestly I might even have bought a nice electric truck, but that weird box on wheels just ain't it :(

SoftTalker 2y ago
I actually would consider an EV pickup truck. My uses for a truck are almost entirely local, so range concerns would be much less. EVs are still too expensive for me however. For now when I need to haul something that won't fit in my car, I rent a trailer.
throw49sjwo1 2y ago
Where do you check if it can get a type approval? I don't think that's something you can easily determine just by looking at it and saying "yeah too big, doesn't look right, not european enough". There are very weird things with type approvals in Europe. Don't mistake it for some super rational land. Note that even mega-trucks can be street legal in Europe, and most traditional American big pickups like Dodge RAM are type approved - why not a Cybertruck then? Europe will type approve anything that proves it's safe and follows basic conventions. That will most likely include the Cybertruck, as the question really isn't "is this car a good idea?" - even bad products that nobody needs or wants get type approved, and Cybertruck really will not be the worst thing that happened to European roads. Tesla knows very well how to get a US car type approved in EU with minimal adjustments. It was very curious to watch with previous models. They are quick, too.
- tpm 2y ago
  Well you can have a look at the rules and see for yourself, they are not that weird but very complicated. But I assume that if it would be possible, Tesla would try to get it approved. > most of the traditional American big pickups like Dodge RAM are type approved - why not a Cybertruck then? I'd guess pedestrian safety would be one of the main issues.
  - throw49sjwo1 2y ago
    I know the rules very well, special cars are kind of my hobby. There is nothing that couldn't be minimally adjusted to meet European regulations. Pedestrian safety is definitely not an issue. There are much more unsafe vehicles than Cybertruck in that regard. Every model Tesla introduced was US only first few years. People individually imported the first hundreds of cars during these initial years. Tesla then introduced an European version of the car with technically minimal adjustments.
    - eqvinox 2y ago
      > Pedestrian safety is definitely not an issue. There are much more unsafe vehicles than Cybertruck in that regard. Purely out of curiosity — can you name one or two such vehicles? I'm really interested how they are so unsafe, or rather, which byzantine (non-?)regulation deems them so unsafe :D
      - throw49sjwo1 2y ago
        My point is that there is no such regulation. But anything that used to be military and sold to civilian usage would qualify. Very common in Eastern Europe, though most of the vehicles of the Cold War have rusted by now.
        tpm 2y ago
        Are you sure there is no such regulation? We are talking about type approval, not individual registration, and the EU Reg 2019/2144 says: Regulation (EC) No 78/2009 of the European Parliament and of the Council (9) sets out requirements for the protection of pedestrians, cyclists and other vulnerable road users in the form of compliance tests and limit values for the type-approval of vehicles with regard to their front structure and for the type-approval of frontal protection systems (for example, bull-bars). Since the adoption of Regulation (EC) No 78/2009, technical requirements and test procedures for vehicles have developed further at UN level to take account of technical progress. UN Regulation No 127 laying down uniform provisions concerning the approval of motor vehicles with regard to their pedestrian safety performance (‘UN Regulation No 127’) currently also applies in the Union in respect to type-approval of motor vehicles. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/2144/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/2144/oj
- nabla9 2y ago
  If the car model has CoC number, it has been type approved. EU keeps approval register. The CoC is not limited to EU It works in every European country. Tesla has announced that they are in process of making Cybertruck version that complies with EU regulation, but Cybertruck is hard to adjust. Lack of crumple zones is a big issue. Getting it approved as commercial vehicle should not be a problem, but nobody wants that. Not Tesla, and not the consumers.
- eqvinox 2y ago
  > Where do you check if it can get a type approval? There's an abundance of news articles about Tesla's VP of Vehicle Engineering, Lars Moravy, saying they can't get it due to some 3.2mm exterior radius requirement that is impossible to do on the 1.4mm stainless steel they use: https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/cybertruck/buying https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/cybertruck/buying https://motortrends.net/news/tesla-cybertruck-wont-enter-europe-update/ https://motortrends.net/news/tesla-cybertruck-wont-enter-eur...
EasyMark 2y ago
Rivian’s are kind of nice, but I don’t know if they will survive as a company. Ford EV trucks are fine as well, I’ve driven both. I personally own a hybrid plug-in SUV which lets me go as far as I like on vacation while also letting me be pure EV for all my local driving which is probably 90% of it and I really don’t drive that much tbh

SoftTalker 2y ago

I actually would consider an EV pickup truck. My uses for a truck are almost entirely local, so range concerns would be much less. EVs are still too expensive for me however. For now when I need to haul something that won't fit in my car, I rent a trailer.

throw49sjwo1 2y ago

Where do you check if it can get a type approval? I don't think that's something you can easily determine just by looking at it and saying "yeah too big, doesn't look right, not european enough". There are very weird things with type approvals in Europe. Don't mistake it for some super rational land. Note that even mega-trucks can be street legal in Europe, and most traditional American big pickups like Dodge RAM are type approved - why not a Cybertruck then? Europe will type approve anything that proves it's safe and follows basic conventions. That will most likely include the Cybertruck, as the question really isn't "is this car a good idea?" - even bad products that nobody needs or wants get type approved, and Cybertruck really will not be the worst thing that happened to European roads. Tesla knows very well how to get a US car type approved in EU with minimal adjustments. It was very curious to watch with previous models. They are quick, too.

tpm 2y ago
Well you can have a look at the rules and see for yourself, they are not that weird but very complicated. But I assume that if it would be possible, Tesla would try to get it approved. > most of the traditional American big pickups like Dodge RAM are type approved - why not a Cybertruck then? I'd guess pedestrian safety would be one of the main issues.
- throw49sjwo1 2y ago
  I know the rules very well, special cars are kind of my hobby. There is nothing that couldn't be minimally adjusted to meet European regulations. Pedestrian safety is definitely not an issue. There are much more unsafe vehicles than Cybertruck in that regard. Every model Tesla introduced was US only first few years. People individually imported the first hundreds of cars during these initial years. Tesla then introduced an European version of the car with technically minimal adjustments.
  - eqvinox 2y ago
    > Pedestrian safety is definitely not an issue. There are much more unsafe vehicles than Cybertruck in that regard. Purely out of curiosity — can you name one or two such vehicles? I'm really interested how they are so unsafe, or rather, which byzantine (non-?)regulation deems them so unsafe :D
    - throw49sjwo1 2y ago
      My point is that there is no such regulation. But anything that used to be military and sold to civilian usage would qualify. Very common in Eastern Europe, though most of the vehicles of the Cold War have rusted by now.
      - tpm 2y ago
        Are you sure there is no such regulation? We are talking about type approval, not individual registration, and the EU Reg 2019/2144 says: Regulation (EC) No 78/2009 of the European Parliament and of the Council (9) sets out requirements for the protection of pedestrians, cyclists and other vulnerable road users in the form of compliance tests and limit values for the type-approval of vehicles with regard to their front structure and for the type-approval of frontal protection systems (for example, bull-bars). Since the adoption of Regulation (EC) No 78/2009, technical requirements and test procedures for vehicles have developed further at UN level to take account of technical progress. UN Regulation No 127 laying down uniform provisions concerning the approval of motor vehicles with regard to their pedestrian safety performance (‘UN Regulation No 127’) currently also applies in the Union in respect to type-approval of motor vehicles. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/2144/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/2144/oj
nabla9 2y ago
If the car model has CoC number, it has been type approved. EU keeps approval register. The CoC is not limited to EU It works in every European country. Tesla has announced that they are in process of making Cybertruck version that complies with EU regulation, but Cybertruck is hard to adjust. Lack of crumple zones is a big issue. Getting it approved as commercial vehicle should not be a problem, but nobody wants that. Not Tesla, and not the consumers.
eqvinox 2y ago
> Where do you check if it can get a type approval? There's an abundance of news articles about Tesla's VP of Vehicle Engineering, Lars Moravy, saying they can't get it due to some 3.2mm exterior radius requirement that is impossible to do on the 1.4mm stainless steel they use: https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/cybertruck/buying https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/tesla/cybertruck/buying https://motortrends.net/news/tesla-cybertruck-wont-enter-europe-update/ https://motortrends.net/news/tesla-cybertruck-wont-enter-eur...

EasyMark 2y ago

Rivian’s are kind of nice, but I don’t know if they will survive as a company. Ford EV trucks are fine as well, I’ve driven both. I personally own a hybrid plug-in SUV which lets me go as far as I like on vacation while also letting me be pure EV for all my local driving which is probably 90% of it and I really don’t drive that much tbh