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> Re-using devices helps us also reduce the number of new devices needed... which is what probably scares the corporate oligarchy I agree with you. Reusing and
by echelon_musk 2y ago
> Re-using devices helps us also reduce the number of new devices needed... which is what probably scares the corporate oligarchy
I agree with you. Reusing and repairing appliances flies in the face of current capitalism. We don't need new models of phones, laptops or cars every year. Sadly I'm not optimistic that we will be able to dial back greed any time soon.
- amelius 2y agoWe need to reinvent capitalism. (Why does my phone need to be upgraded every year, while capitalism is kept at version 0.1beta?)
- knowitnone 2y agoYOU CHOSE to upgrade your phone every year. I don't see a gun to your head.
- mindslight 2y agoEven if they had a gun to their head, would doing so not still be a "choice" by your apparent definition?
- the_gorilla 2y agoEvery single thread has someone complaining about capitalism. It's childish, and more importantly, not interesting. We get it, capitalism bad, but communists produce even more e-waste.
- immibis 2y agoCapitalism is the system we are in which is the system that creates the actual problems of this system. We are talking about the actual problems in real life and not the theoretical problems that may exist in a parallel universe.
- the_gorilla 2y agoNo, it's just vague whining about the idea of capitalism itself. Updating capitalism is not talking about any specific problems.
- roenxi 2y ago> while capitalism is kept at version 0.1beta?) The process of developing capitalism has taken millennia and in the last few centuries has had far more intellectual horsepower put into it than developing phones. Lots of iterations have been tried, it can't be compared to a beta product at all. The major problem we have on that front is people keep trying to regress backwards to models of organisation that have already been tried and are well understood not to work effectively - because almost nobody votes based on historical learnings. Once we have >100 years experience in building phones there probably won't be annual upgrades any more either, it'll be like-for-like replacements.
- fragmede 2y agoWhat do you count as iterations? There's never been a violent throwing out of capitalism to be tried with a different version of capitalism. The throwing out of capitalism has been to replace it with something else, not more capitalism. And has the horsepower been put into developing capitalism, or has it been put into making more money for the people wielding it, rather than developing the best system there could be?
- immibis 2y agoCapitalism concentrates power to the top; those powerful people are the ones who have had the power to reinvent it so far. E.g. in 2008 when the Fed began QE Infinity, which never ended.
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- AlexandrB 2y agoWhy does it have to be violent? Every election heralds a slightly different version of capitalism based on the regulatory and tax priorities of who is now in charge. Edit: Think of it in software terms. Version 1.1 or even 2.0 is normally not a complete rewrite of version 1.0, instead it's an iterative set of changes. Rewrites are often considered to be a bad idea.
- immibis 2y agoCapitalism has actually been reinvented many times - basically every time there's a significant change in how the Federal Reserve operates, this is a reinvention of capitalism. It occurred memorably in 2008 and recently in 2024. This new 2024 version hasn't had time to reach a stable state yet. It was preceded by cryptocurrency bubble capitalism since 2020.
- joncrocks 2y agoDid someone invent capitalism? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Definition It's a loose concept, a bag of things including basic human behaviour/self interest, mutually beneficial transactions between willing participants and the rules provided by governments.