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Can't help but think that your son and his peers are going to fundamentally use AI in such a different way than we do now and do a much better job of understand

Can't help but think that your son and his peers are going to fundamentally use AI in such a different way than we do now and do a much better job of understanding it's constraints and using it to it's full potential.

hackernewds 2y ago
why can't we do the same?
- Vampiero 2y ago
  Because kids can afford to spend 14 hours a day playing with an AI. You can't.
  - IshKebab 2y ago
    I can if I'm asking ChatGPT how to write Makefiles or whatever all day :-D
- valval 2y ago
  If I had to defend GP’s argument that I didn’t make, I’d say something along the lines of our fundamental understanding of the world is built on other premises than it will be for the next generation.
  - boredtofears 2y ago
    Yeah, I’m not making much of a substantial argument, it’s very much an unqualified intuition at best. Right now there are millions of high school students tweaking and testing different inputs against LLMs for very real consequences: their grades. Meanwhile I barely trust LLMs enough to write a relatively inconsequential piece of code. If this version of AI is the real deal, the kids that are really depending on it are going to figure out the breakthroughs, not me.
tessierashpool 2y ago
this is a popular myth but never lines up with reality. studies pretty consistently find that kids are worse at understanding technology’s limitations. maybe because they don’t have enough prior experience to compare “the new way” with any given old way.
- Vampiero 2y ago
  the studies may be flawed in that they look at the wrong age range. I'm sure many people on this site were born between 1990 and 2000. That generation knows how to use computers innately because they lived the most important part of the evolution of the consumer desktop as well as the transition that saw everything and everyone move to the internet. Before all the simplifications and streamlined UIs. Before all the assistants. Before every problem was already solved by someone else. I imagine that an AI-native generation will be the same, but with respect to AI.
  - zmgsabst 2y ago
    I’d argue the people born 1970-1990 are stronger at that than those born 1990-2000. I think you have the age range of people who wrote their own MySpace pages versus those in pre-structured gardens like Facebook slightly wrong.
- dartos 2y ago
  What studies? How long do they run for? I figured you’d at least need to study the same group for 10 years as they grow up to really tell. Obviously a 12 year old might not understand the limitations of a technology, but give that 12 year old 10 years of living with it and they’d be better than their parents.
actionfromafar 2y ago
I hope so I guess, but, using it's potential to do what? Our globally connected supercomputers in our pockets are already being used to watch commercials interspersed with videos who mostly are product placement. /yay
- skeaker 2y ago
  It's impossible to say. If we knew that now, then the next generation wouldn't be doing "something different" on a definitional level, because we'd be doing it already.

hackernewds 2y ago

why can't we do the same?

Vampiero 2y ago
Because kids can afford to spend 14 hours a day playing with an AI. You can't.
- IshKebab 2y ago
  I can if I'm asking ChatGPT how to write Makefiles or whatever all day :-D
valval 2y ago
If I had to defend GP’s argument that I didn’t make, I’d say something along the lines of our fundamental understanding of the world is built on other premises than it will be for the next generation.
- boredtofears 2y ago
  Yeah, I’m not making much of a substantial argument, it’s very much an unqualified intuition at best. Right now there are millions of high school students tweaking and testing different inputs against LLMs for very real consequences: their grades. Meanwhile I barely trust LLMs enough to write a relatively inconsequential piece of code. If this version of AI is the real deal, the kids that are really depending on it are going to figure out the breakthroughs, not me.

tessierashpool 2y ago

this is a popular myth but never lines up with reality. studies pretty consistently find that kids are worse at understanding technology’s limitations. maybe because they don’t have enough prior experience to compare “the new way” with any given old way.

Vampiero 2y ago
the studies may be flawed in that they look at the wrong age range. I'm sure many people on this site were born between 1990 and 2000. That generation knows how to use computers innately because they lived the most important part of the evolution of the consumer desktop as well as the transition that saw everything and everyone move to the internet. Before all the simplifications and streamlined UIs. Before all the assistants. Before every problem was already solved by someone else. I imagine that an AI-native generation will be the same, but with respect to AI.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  I’d argue the people born 1970-1990 are stronger at that than those born 1990-2000. I think you have the age range of people who wrote their own MySpace pages versus those in pre-structured gardens like Facebook slightly wrong.
dartos 2y ago
What studies? How long do they run for? I figured you’d at least need to study the same group for 10 years as they grow up to really tell. Obviously a 12 year old might not understand the limitations of a technology, but give that 12 year old 10 years of living with it and they’d be better than their parents.

actionfromafar 2y ago

I hope so I guess, but, using it's potential to do what? Our globally connected supercomputers in our pockets are already being used to watch commercials interspersed with videos who mostly are product placement. /yay

skeaker 2y ago
It's impossible to say. If we knew that now, then the next generation wouldn't be doing "something different" on a definitional level, because we'd be doing it already.