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Off topic: what is up with the persistent anti-Musk crusading in this thread (and on HN in general)?

by lopkeny12ko 2y ago

erichocean 2y ago
He bought Twitter. The hate precisely coincides with that event.
- ausbah 2y ago
  he had to buy twitter
  - madeofpalk 2y ago
    why?
    - razakel 2y ago
      Because he signed a contract saying he would.
      - madeofpalk 2y ago
        he did not have to buy twitter. he chose to buy it, signed a contract saying he wanted to buy it, and then tried to get out of the contract
- concordDance 2y ago
  Predates it by many years. It actually even predates the cave submarine, but strongly intensified then and increased roughly constantly until the present day.
Jtsummers 2y ago
If you look at the kidme5, samegene321, and george23 accounts in this discussion you'll note that they predominantly comment about Musk in Musk-related threads (usually SpaceX, it seems), often sporadically with large delays between when they make comments (weeks and months). They also post the same things as each other (though this is non-obvious, kidme3 deleted the content of one of their dead comments, but it's verbatim what samegene321 posted). It's either an individual or a coincidentally very narrowly-focused group of people who not only think the same, but write the same.
- akira2501 2y ago
  > or a coincidentally very narrowly-focused group of people Yea, coincident with money.
- 93po 2y ago
  I feel like I can spot musk-bashing astroturfing a mile away because they repeat the exact same criticisms that made big headlines but aren't actually true, but there's maybe like a tiny nugget of nuance to the topic, and it's repeated forever and ever like it's fact and Elon is literally hitler and tesla doesnt actually exist and space isn't real too and elon is just lying to you. but also he's a xenophobic, transphobic asshole who supports politicians eroding really basic rights and liberties for people, so fuck em
- FactKnower69 2y ago
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  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    At the time of my original comment there were about 10 or 12 comments total in this discussion, with the three accounts I named [EDIT: except george23, that was a typo it was georgeg23; george23 is an unrelated account to all of this] making up a good portion of the "discussion". Two of the comments (across two account) were duplicates, literally copy/paste. As to other people talking about Musk, at least they're actually participating in this community beyond just Musk-related threads. But at this point there are at least 6 accounts in this discussion, including the three I originally named, that continue to copy/paste the same things and post the same links and make claims that their links don't back up. It's clearly a bored individual, a true believer, or a very poorly written bot by a bored individual or true believer (I mean, at least don't throw all your accounts at one discussion, it makes it so obvious when there are multiple identical comments by different accounts).
- perihelions 2y ago
  There's a much stronger correlation: these accounts (plus a couple others—who are also active in this thread) all comment about one highly specific, niche topic which absolutely no one else on HN does. It's the claim that the Bush-era NASA Administrator, Mike Griffin, is a unrecognized key figure behind SpaceX' founding. Just query "spacex mike griffin", and it's exactly these accounts (and people who reply to them). https://hn.algolia.com/?query=spacex%20mike%20griffin&type=comment&sort=byDate&dateRange=all https://hn.algolia.com/?query=spacex%20mike%20griffin&type=c...
kayyyy 2y ago
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sneak 2y ago
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- panick21_ 2y ago
  What utter nonsense, pure speculation based on nothing and nothing. And that whole Russia conspiracy, outside it being nonsense doesn't even make sense. Russia doesn't need SpaceX to launch anything, SpaceX wouldn't launch anything for Russia if they knew anyway and if DoD knew they would certainty easily stop it whatever is 'legal'. Instead of coming up with elaborate stories, its much simpler. He became very politically vocal and that makes you incredibly controversial. Musk was always somewhat controversial but going all in on MAGA stuff made him 10x more so. A lot of stories around him were already spread long before, and those are just picked up by more people now. And of course its not really about 'false' narratives anymore, a lot of what makes him unpopular are simply the things he literally said outright.
idiotsecant 2y ago
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- panick21_ 2y ago
  is father was a somewhat wealthy engineer. That about it. His farther wasn't some billionaire. Being born in South Africa to a somewhat wealthy family isn't exactly the golden lottery ticket. Evidence by the fact that most people born somewhat wealthy in South Afirca simply try to buy a house in England and get a job at some banking company or work for some mining company. If you to go back to Musk birth year and had to pick 'most likely to be most powerful non government person in the world' how many people would you go threw before Musk? What actually helped him more then wealth is that his mother was Canadian and that allowed him to study in Canada and that eventually allowed him a way to get to Silicon Valley. That doesn't just happen, most people from South Africa don't end up in Silicon Valley creating startups. He struggled more in collage then many others because he wasn't at good terms with his father. His father eventually invested a few 10000s $ in his first startup, many people with small business get more from their parents to get started. And the idea that his companies 'thrive' in spite of him is just wrong. Tesla was going to shit before he stepped in. Literally everybody that worked closely within would disagree with you, and that includes many people that have long left his employment. Companies with terrible CEO don't just trip into being worth 100 billion $ or more. If he was CEO for a year or so and the company was already successful, maybe. But SpaceX started with a few people in shed and he took over Tesla when it was basically a pile of garbage. To claim a successful business person was lucky is possible, if it happened once. But being CEO of two multi-billion $ businesses at the same for 20+ and both being considered incredibly successful and influential, that's all luck. You got the be kidding. And these are not some random internet companies, space and car companies routinely were considered some of the hardest industries to break into. There is a whole grep of people wealthier then Musk who tried to break into Space, they all failed. There are tons of failed car companies. Even when Tesla was created, they had problems getting funding and many other companies got more, nobody remembers companies like 'Good Place' anymore. Again, I understand that somebody doesn't like Musk, but your position is utterly ridiculous. It takes a truly dissociated mind to come believe that nonsense.
seniorivn 2y ago
he involved himself in politics, so everyone who have strong feelings against his "side" or for his opponents, project it on him in a form of hate. Inevitable consequence of the two party system and/or fptp election system
ta1243 2y ago
If you tie yourself to a specific politician, especially in a massively polarised environment, you're going to alienate many people, and it's hardly like Musk wasn't controversial before twitter and his swing to MAGA.
madeofpalk 2y ago
Musk is, to say the least, polarising, and thus attracts a lot of people who take either highly favourable or intensely sceptical stances on everything he says. These two groups then feed off each other - those critical of Musk often feel compelled to counterbalance what they see as overly charitable interpretations of his statements or the actions of companies associated with him, and vice versa I guess. In this particular topic, Musk has a history of being... opportunistic to disasters and tries to 'help out' to various degrees of success (see his weird mini-sub saga for the thai cave rescue, and Starlink's involvement in Ukraine/Russia war). Personally, I think he's a terrible human being who uses his platform to spread vile hate which is incompatible with a modern world, and I tend not to separate the art from the artist (if you could call either of them that). But otherwise I'm not brigading out here.
- kortilla 2y ago
  > and Starlink's involvement in Ukraine/Russia war Why is that in the same statement as the sub thing? Starlink has been absolutely instrumental to the success of Ukraine.
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    They might be referencing this https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-st...
bloopernova 2y ago
Musk is backing the republican party of the USA, using the reach of twitter and the power of his fortune. The GOP has destroyed the trust involved in elections, purely on the ego of trump, and thrown away the peaceful transfer of power. GOP state members have stated that they will discard the result of the election, sending their own picked electors. That will inevitably fall under the purview of the supreme court of the USA, who have shown themselves to be partisan and who will hand the election to trump. What happens after that is anybody's guess. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/republicans-set-stage-for-state-challenges-if-trump-loses-election https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/republicans-set-stage-... + https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/supreme-court-arizona-proof-of-citizenship-voting-rights/679542/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/supreme... Musk is also spreading the "this might be the last election you ever vote in" meme, which is pure projection from the extreme right wing that has taken over so much of the USA. So I have a large amount of derision for provocateurs like Musk, who can simply fly his private jet to another country if the USA becomes embroiled in civil war. https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-claims-during-trump-081436316.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-claims-during-trump-081... I utterly loathe the people that would cause violence and stolen elections, and musk is one of them. And, to the people that would back the extreme right: they will turn on you the very nanosecond it becomes convenient to them.
- ralfd 2y ago
  > "this might be the last election you ever vote in" meme To be fair the left is saying the same, because Trump will end democracy, this time for real. I am not American, so often only the crazy/extremist views reach me over the ocean, but I did read over the past years the hope in leftist circles, that migrants will make Florida and Texas first a purple and then blue.
- shrubble 2y ago
  California is basically a single party state at this point; something that Musk would be aware of; it seems that is what he is referring to.
- kortilla 2y ago
  > Musk is also spreading the "this might be the last election you ever vote in" meme It’s hilarious that you’re spreading the left version of that meme and can’t even tell.
jrflowers 2y ago
It’s probably because of the stuff he says and does OP https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-child-sexual-abuse/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-... https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreaders-elon-musk-is-personally-boosting-conspiracy-theorists-on-x/ https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreade... https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-bomb-election-misinformation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-b... For less-polarizing examples: https://elonmusk.today https://elonmusk.today
neaanopri 2y ago
I believe it's fair and based on recent changes in musk's political outlook which many disagree with. His public persona really didn't used to be like this, and he never would have been so popular in the first place if that was the case.
ActorNightly 2y ago
The issue is, while the haters do seem like they are the standard outrage machine, I dont think people who are not into politics realize how batshit insane the Republicans side has gotten, which Musk is solidly a part of. We are used to living this relatively cushy life, where we think that everyone is entitled to the political opinion, and we seem to take it for granted like its never going to change. But in reality, if Trump wins, it may very well be the end of American democratic experiment, and set us on the path towards a much lower standard of life. If EU and other markets start losing faith in US economy because we have a dictator in power, you better believe you are going to feel that, cause nobody will give a shit about the tech sector. Like, its REALLY fucking bad right now with how close the polls are, and its scary that many peoplendont realize this fact. So I dont think that at this point and time, its wise to chalk up all the hate rhetoric as just online outrage. People should be outraged. Vote blue downballot in November, and maybe once MAGA movement dies, we can go back to some form of normalicy.
- bamboozled 2y ago
  I almost wonder if the parent is asking in good faith, like, “oh thanks, I didn’t notice…” ?
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  Women are dying because of anti-abortion positions being espoused by these republicans. People aren't just outraged. Millions are terrified. There's a 50% chance come November 9th that my girlfriend and I have to have a very serious discussion about how we will protect her rights and literal safety, that we have to make serious sacrifices to go somewhere safer, including leaving family. I have friends that would have to go into literal hiding, living fake lives to not get systemically harmed and targeted. Project 2025 damn near calls for my execution, and the execution of people I love, for things that no well adjusted people consider wrong. America had a blatant and clear taste for actual full blown Nazism in the early 1900s, and people don't seem to realize that it was never rooted out, just made quiet for a few decades. We LOVE eugenics.
bamboozled 2y ago
Because Musk as a person is a huge liar, fraud and a major disappointment with a messiah complex to boot ? We could be looking at these developments with excitement, instead many of us think about how he is going to use this tech to fuck more things up and justify more immoral behaviour. He is a real life Bond villain. Read this case document by Aaron Jacob Greenspan, it’s fascinating and a good read: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/download.html?id=332879335&z=06846ebe https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/download.html?id=332879335... 5. Defendant Musk has openly admitted that his leadership philosophy is that the ends—here, Tesla’s mission of “accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy”—justify the means, or fraudulent and unlawful business practices, so long as they keep a company afloat. He also tweeted this two years ago… For Twitter to deserve public trust, it must be politically neutral, which effectively means upsetting the far right and the far left equally Apr 28, 2022 It makes me nervous such a guy is in control of so many things… Russia having starlink to use drones to bomb Ukrainian soldiers, for example. Buying Twitter to spread lies and conspiracies is another. Calling a hero a “pedo guy” because he didn’t agree with his approach. The guy is an asshat, period.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
  Russia and starlink? And writing a lawyers opinion as fact?
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    When Ukraine attacks Russian sites, they’re often finding starlink terminals in the debris. They know they’re using them to control drones and other equipment. They’re supposed to be sanctioned under US law. What’s wrong with lawyers ? Is Musk some how above all lawyers ?
    - inemesitaffia 2y ago
      A lawyers opinion just like anyones opinion isn't fact. Having Starlink terminals doesn't mean starlink is supplying them anymore than Apple is supplying the Taliban with iPhones. The Pentagon and Ukraine's government don't think SpaceX is selling it to them and that's enough for me. You can read the Newsweek article on Starlink terminals on Shahed drones
JaimeThompson 2y ago
Some are bothered by his positions that explicitly want to roll back rights for people while others are bothered by his current "government aid is bad" position given how much such aid he has received. I'm guessing if he actually lived the beliefs he said he used to have more people with support him.

Off topic: what is up with the persistent anti-Musk crusading in this thread (and on HN in general)?

erichocean 2y ago

He bought Twitter. The hate precisely coincides with that event.

ausbah 2y ago
he had to buy twitter
- madeofpalk 2y ago
  why?
  - razakel 2y ago
    Because he signed a contract saying he would.
    - madeofpalk 2y ago
      he did not have to buy twitter. he chose to buy it, signed a contract saying he wanted to buy it, and then tried to get out of the contract
concordDance 2y ago
Predates it by many years. It actually even predates the cave submarine, but strongly intensified then and increased roughly constantly until the present day.

Jtsummers 2y ago

If you look at the kidme5, samegene321, and george23 accounts in this discussion you'll note that they predominantly comment about Musk in Musk-related threads (usually SpaceX, it seems), often sporadically with large delays between when they make comments (weeks and months). They also post the same things as each other (though this is non-obvious, kidme3 deleted the content of one of their dead comments, but it's verbatim what samegene321 posted). It's either an individual or a coincidentally very narrowly-focused group of people who not only think the same, but write the same.

akira2501 2y ago
> or a coincidentally very narrowly-focused group of people Yea, coincident with money.
93po 2y ago
I feel like I can spot musk-bashing astroturfing a mile away because they repeat the exact same criticisms that made big headlines but aren't actually true, but there's maybe like a tiny nugget of nuance to the topic, and it's repeated forever and ever like it's fact and Elon is literally hitler and tesla doesnt actually exist and space isn't real too and elon is just lying to you. but also he's a xenophobic, transphobic asshole who supports politicians eroding really basic rights and liberties for people, so fuck em
FactKnower69 2y ago
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- Jtsummers 2y ago
  At the time of my original comment there were about 10 or 12 comments total in this discussion, with the three accounts I named [EDIT: except george23, that was a typo it was georgeg23; george23 is an unrelated account to all of this] making up a good portion of the "discussion". Two of the comments (across two account) were duplicates, literally copy/paste. As to other people talking about Musk, at least they're actually participating in this community beyond just Musk-related threads. But at this point there are at least 6 accounts in this discussion, including the three I originally named, that continue to copy/paste the same things and post the same links and make claims that their links don't back up. It's clearly a bored individual, a true believer, or a very poorly written bot by a bored individual or true believer (I mean, at least don't throw all your accounts at one discussion, it makes it so obvious when there are multiple identical comments by different accounts).
perihelions 2y ago
There's a much stronger correlation: these accounts (plus a couple others—who are also active in this thread) all comment about one highly specific, niche topic which absolutely no one else on HN does. It's the claim that the Bush-era NASA Administrator, Mike Griffin, is a unrecognized key figure behind SpaceX' founding. Just query "spacex mike griffin", and it's exactly these accounts (and people who reply to them). https://hn.algolia.com/?query=spacex%20mike%20griffin&type=comment&sort=byDate&dateRange=all https://hn.algolia.com/?query=spacex%20mike%20griffin&type=c...

kayyyy 2y ago

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sneak 2y ago

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panick21_ 2y ago
What utter nonsense, pure speculation based on nothing and nothing. And that whole Russia conspiracy, outside it being nonsense doesn't even make sense. Russia doesn't need SpaceX to launch anything, SpaceX wouldn't launch anything for Russia if they knew anyway and if DoD knew they would certainty easily stop it whatever is 'legal'. Instead of coming up with elaborate stories, its much simpler. He became very politically vocal and that makes you incredibly controversial. Musk was always somewhat controversial but going all in on MAGA stuff made him 10x more so. A lot of stories around him were already spread long before, and those are just picked up by more people now. And of course its not really about 'false' narratives anymore, a lot of what makes him unpopular are simply the things he literally said outright.

idiotsecant 2y ago

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panick21_ 2y ago
is father was a somewhat wealthy engineer. That about it. His farther wasn't some billionaire. Being born in South Africa to a somewhat wealthy family isn't exactly the golden lottery ticket. Evidence by the fact that most people born somewhat wealthy in South Afirca simply try to buy a house in England and get a job at some banking company or work for some mining company. If you to go back to Musk birth year and had to pick 'most likely to be most powerful non government person in the world' how many people would you go threw before Musk? What actually helped him more then wealth is that his mother was Canadian and that allowed him to study in Canada and that eventually allowed him a way to get to Silicon Valley. That doesn't just happen, most people from South Africa don't end up in Silicon Valley creating startups. He struggled more in collage then many others because he wasn't at good terms with his father. His father eventually invested a few 10000s $ in his first startup, many people with small business get more from their parents to get started. And the idea that his companies 'thrive' in spite of him is just wrong. Tesla was going to shit before he stepped in. Literally everybody that worked closely within would disagree with you, and that includes many people that have long left his employment. Companies with terrible CEO don't just trip into being worth 100 billion $ or more. If he was CEO for a year or so and the company was already successful, maybe. But SpaceX started with a few people in shed and he took over Tesla when it was basically a pile of garbage. To claim a successful business person was lucky is possible, if it happened once. But being CEO of two multi-billion $ businesses at the same for 20+ and both being considered incredibly successful and influential, that's all luck. You got the be kidding. And these are not some random internet companies, space and car companies routinely were considered some of the hardest industries to break into. There is a whole grep of people wealthier then Musk who tried to break into Space, they all failed. There are tons of failed car companies. Even when Tesla was created, they had problems getting funding and many other companies got more, nobody remembers companies like 'Good Place' anymore. Again, I understand that somebody doesn't like Musk, but your position is utterly ridiculous. It takes a truly dissociated mind to come believe that nonsense.

seniorivn 2y ago

he involved himself in politics, so everyone who have strong feelings against his "side" or for his opponents, project it on him in a form of hate. Inevitable consequence of the two party system and/or fptp election system

ta1243 2y ago

If you tie yourself to a specific politician, especially in a massively polarised environment, you're going to alienate many people, and it's hardly like Musk wasn't controversial before twitter and his swing to MAGA.

madeofpalk 2y ago

Musk is, to say the least, polarising, and thus attracts a lot of people who take either highly favourable or intensely sceptical stances on everything he says. These two groups then feed off each other - those critical of Musk often feel compelled to counterbalance what they see as overly charitable interpretations of his statements or the actions of companies associated with him, and vice versa I guess. In this particular topic, Musk has a history of being... opportunistic to disasters and tries to 'help out' to various degrees of success (see his weird mini-sub saga for the thai cave rescue, and Starlink's involvement in Ukraine/Russia war). Personally, I think he's a terrible human being who uses his platform to spread vile hate which is incompatible with a modern world, and I tend not to separate the art from the artist (if you could call either of them that). But otherwise I'm not brigading out here.

kortilla 2y ago
> and Starlink's involvement in Ukraine/Russia war Why is that in the same statement as the sub thing? Starlink has been absolutely instrumental to the success of Ukraine.
- jrflowers 2y ago
  They might be referencing this https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-st...

bloopernova 2y ago

Musk is backing the republican party of the USA, using the reach of twitter and the power of his fortune. The GOP has destroyed the trust involved in elections, purely on the ego of trump, and thrown away the peaceful transfer of power. GOP state members have stated that they will discard the result of the election, sending their own picked electors. That will inevitably fall under the purview of the supreme court of the USA, who have shown themselves to be partisan and who will hand the election to trump. What happens after that is anybody's guess. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/republicans-set-stage-for-state-challenges-if-trump-loses-election https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/republicans-set-stage-... + https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/supreme-court-arizona-proof-of-citizenship-voting-rights/679542/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/supreme... Musk is also spreading the "this might be the last election you ever vote in" meme, which is pure projection from the extreme right wing that has taken over so much of the USA. So I have a large amount of derision for provocateurs like Musk, who can simply fly his private jet to another country if the USA becomes embroiled in civil war. https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-claims-during-trump-081436316.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-claims-during-trump-081... I utterly loathe the people that would cause violence and stolen elections, and musk is one of them. And, to the people that would back the extreme right: they will turn on you the very nanosecond it becomes convenient to them.

ralfd 2y ago
> "this might be the last election you ever vote in" meme To be fair the left is saying the same, because Trump will end democracy, this time for real. I am not American, so often only the crazy/extremist views reach me over the ocean, but I did read over the past years the hope in leftist circles, that migrants will make Florida and Texas first a purple and then blue.
shrubble 2y ago
California is basically a single party state at this point; something that Musk would be aware of; it seems that is what he is referring to.
kortilla 2y ago
> Musk is also spreading the "this might be the last election you ever vote in" meme It’s hilarious that you’re spreading the left version of that meme and can’t even tell.

jrflowers 2y ago

It’s probably because of the stuff he says and does OP https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-child-sexual-abuse/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-... https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreaders-elon-musk-is-personally-boosting-conspiracy-theorists-on-x/ https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreade... https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-bomb-election-misinformation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-b... For less-polarizing examples: https://elonmusk.today https://elonmusk.today

neaanopri 2y ago

I believe it's fair and based on recent changes in musk's political outlook which many disagree with. His public persona really didn't used to be like this, and he never would have been so popular in the first place if that was the case.

ActorNightly 2y ago

The issue is, while the haters do seem like they are the standard outrage machine, I dont think people who are not into politics realize how batshit insane the Republicans side has gotten, which Musk is solidly a part of. We are used to living this relatively cushy life, where we think that everyone is entitled to the political opinion, and we seem to take it for granted like its never going to change. But in reality, if Trump wins, it may very well be the end of American democratic experiment, and set us on the path towards a much lower standard of life. If EU and other markets start losing faith in US economy because we have a dictator in power, you better believe you are going to feel that, cause nobody will give a shit about the tech sector. Like, its REALLY fucking bad right now with how close the polls are, and its scary that many peoplendont realize this fact. So I dont think that at this point and time, its wise to chalk up all the hate rhetoric as just online outrage. People should be outraged. Vote blue downballot in November, and maybe once MAGA movement dies, we can go back to some form of normalicy.

bamboozled 2y ago
I almost wonder if the parent is asking in good faith, like, “oh thanks, I didn’t notice…” ?
mrguyorama 2y ago
Women are dying because of anti-abortion positions being espoused by these republicans. People aren't just outraged. Millions are terrified. There's a 50% chance come November 9th that my girlfriend and I have to have a very serious discussion about how we will protect her rights and literal safety, that we have to make serious sacrifices to go somewhere safer, including leaving family. I have friends that would have to go into literal hiding, living fake lives to not get systemically harmed and targeted. Project 2025 damn near calls for my execution, and the execution of people I love, for things that no well adjusted people consider wrong. America had a blatant and clear taste for actual full blown Nazism in the early 1900s, and people don't seem to realize that it was never rooted out, just made quiet for a few decades. We LOVE eugenics.

bamboozled 2y ago

Because Musk as a person is a huge liar, fraud and a major disappointment with a messiah complex to boot ? We could be looking at these developments with excitement, instead many of us think about how he is going to use this tech to fuck more things up and justify more immoral behaviour. He is a real life Bond villain. Read this case document by Aaron Jacob Greenspan, it’s fascinating and a good read: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/download.html?id=332879335&z=06846ebe https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/download.html?id=332879335... 5. Defendant Musk has openly admitted that his leadership philosophy is that the ends—here, Tesla’s mission of “accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy”—justify the means, or fraudulent and unlawful business practices, so long as they keep a company afloat. He also tweeted this two years ago… For Twitter to deserve public trust, it must be politically neutral, which effectively means upsetting the far right and the far left equally Apr 28, 2022 It makes me nervous such a guy is in control of so many things… Russia having starlink to use drones to bomb Ukrainian soldiers, for example. Buying Twitter to spread lies and conspiracies is another. Calling a hero a “pedo guy” because he didn’t agree with his approach. The guy is an asshat, period.

inemesitaffia 2y ago
Russia and starlink? And writing a lawyers opinion as fact?
- bamboozled 2y ago
  When Ukraine attacks Russian sites, they’re often finding starlink terminals in the debris. They know they’re using them to control drones and other equipment. They’re supposed to be sanctioned under US law. What’s wrong with lawyers ? Is Musk some how above all lawyers ?
  - inemesitaffia 2y ago
    A lawyers opinion just like anyones opinion isn't fact. Having Starlink terminals doesn't mean starlink is supplying them anymore than Apple is supplying the Taliban with iPhones. The Pentagon and Ukraine's government don't think SpaceX is selling it to them and that's enough for me. You can read the Newsweek article on Starlink terminals on Shahed drones

JaimeThompson 2y ago

Some are bothered by his positions that explicitly want to roll back rights for people while others are bothered by his current "government aid is bad" position given how much such aid he has received. I'm guessing if he actually lived the beliefs he said he used to have more people with support him.