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Yes, I do. It’s an amazing monitor and combination iPad. It’s very different than what is easy to describe - partially because it defies convention in so many w

Yes, I do. It’s an amazing monitor and combination iPad. It’s very different than what is easy to describe - partially because it defies convention in so many ways - but I use it with my Mac and then will have mail and chat and music floating on the sides. Btw I said iPad. Apple says it’s a computer. Falls short in some key ways, but not unfixable It is heavy but I don’t mind it. I can see how that might be a deal breaker. Btw I honestly think that if apple wants to market this thing as a computer, they need to include a keyboard and trackpad. It adds so much to the utility factor that it’s basically indispensable for me. That it works well without one is testament to apples amazing engineering, but they really should be packing those in imho These things are going to be killer productivity devices if - price down. obviously. - lower weight, better battery - combo keyboard and mouse accessory offered that fits into a carrying case - able to host Mac apps, or a Mac vm, or something similar. Let me run vs code, IntelliJ, and a terminal with a local container with my build tools. Or blender. Or photoshop. Etc etc etc Btw protip, tea tastes fine through a metal straw

rgarrett88 2y ago
I'm of the opinion that Apple will never natively allow unmanaged code outside macOS due to app store revenue. I mean if the AVP fails it would be a huge write down but if it wins and allows people to circumvent the Apple tax that's still a fail for the company.
- miki123211 2y ago
  You could still do enforcement through legal rather than technical means, though. Disallow installing apps from outside the App Store, provide no system UI to do so. Prohibit apps from being app stores themselves or running code that didn't pass app review, with exceptions for dev tools etc. Make apps able to escape the sandbox, at least in some ways. Even if an app somehow sneaks past app review and gives users unfettered access to their devices, it can't ever get too many users. If it's unpopular, it's not a concern to Apple, if it becomes popular, Apple will know about it and can levy very heavy contractual fines on the dev.
  - fy20 2y ago
    It's worth mentioning none of these concerns affected Android / Google Play, even though it's fairly easy to sideload and even install custom app stores there. The only phones that come with alternative stores are from Chinese manufacturers, which isn't going to be an issue for Apple as the operating system isn't open source.
    - Operyl 2y ago
      Didn’t Samsung introduce their own App Store? https://galaxystore.samsung.com/ https://galaxystore.samsung.com/
      - hatsix 2y ago
        it ships both app stores on every android phone. In my experience, people only use the Samsung store by accident
        Operyl 2y ago
        I was just refuting the “only Chinese phones have alt stores” factoid.
        wkat4242 2y ago
        The OPs main point was that the existence of sideloading or third-party app stores hasn't led to major security issues. And apps still have to comply with the sandboxing.
  - beeflet 2y ago
    that still sounds like technical means
  - benoau 2y ago
    Your ideas are explicitly illegal in the EU and, if the law ever passes, would be illegal in the US too. Frankly I think we are past having to figure out ways for Apple to tax software usage in all circumstances, just wait for the law to catch up and it's all moot. In fact, just the Epic case seeks to rewrite what amounts to 70% of App Store spending: gacha games being able to link to their own billing options. > The legislation aims to prevent Big Tech companies from "self-preferencing" their own products at the expense of competitors.[3] Under AICO, covered platforms would be forbidden from disadvantaging other companies' products or services. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Innovation_and_Choice_Online_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Innovation_and_Choice...
- wkat4242 2y ago
  I know. This is the real reason, not the purported "security issues". Apple just wants to sell their hugely expensive cake and eat it. The only reason that macOS is not locked down is historical. Because it's always been open and people would be screaming if they took it away. It's a shame as a user. I paid for the device, I should decide what happens on it. Apple doesn't have an innate right to store revenue.
viccis 2y ago
>It is heavy but I don’t mind it. Consider trying a counter weight. Hunting supply stores sell them for nightvision goggles, and when I tried one on my friend's Valve Index it was shocking how much better it felt.
- amelius 2y ago
  Sounds like Apple's product designers failed here.
  - brookst 2y ago
    Nah, it was the right call. Advertising it at nearly 2x the weight so X% of people find it more comfortable is a bad trade off. I use mine all the time and don’t notice the weight. Perhaps because I use various types of helmets frequently. It is far far far less noticeable than a motorcycle helmet, and far less noticeable than a good full face bike helmet.
    - Gigachad 2y ago
      I haven’t tried the Apple vision, but from other VR products, the problem isn’t the weight on your head, it’s where it’s distributed. Having all that weight resting on your cheeks quickly becomes uncomfortable and makes the muscles on your face sore.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  To note, counter weight helps alleviate single pressure points when stationary or slowly moving. It will make it significantly worse for people moving their head a lot or walking around. That's the same issue as the Airpod Max, which are extremely well balanced but just so damn heavy, so I guess people just build neck muscles ?
jemmyw 2y ago
> Btw protip, tea tastes fine through a metal straw Sounds burny
- swyx 2y ago
  was this a microplastics thing or a dogwhistle coded for some dark net activity? i hav eno idea
  - jemmyw 2y ago
    No, it's just easy to burn yourself sucking a hot liquid through a straw.
  - karlgkk 2y ago
    No it’s because I like to drink tea while I work and I don’t enjoy the idea of splashing liquid into the fan intake of a $3500 computer
- givemeethekeys 2y ago
  Bamboo straws work well too. But you'd still want the tea to be not too hot. Some quick searching resulted in Sipify straws.
steelframe 2y ago
> tea tastes fine through a metal straw I can't help but think about this story every time I hear someone talk about metal straws. https://www.today.com/health/health/metal-straw-punctures-throat-artery-brain-rcna45635 https://www.today.com/health/health/metal-straw-punctures-th...

rgarrett88 2y ago

I'm of the opinion that Apple will never natively allow unmanaged code outside macOS due to app store revenue. I mean if the AVP fails it would be a huge write down but if it wins and allows people to circumvent the Apple tax that's still a fail for the company.

miki123211 2y ago
You could still do enforcement through legal rather than technical means, though. Disallow installing apps from outside the App Store, provide no system UI to do so. Prohibit apps from being app stores themselves or running code that didn't pass app review, with exceptions for dev tools etc. Make apps able to escape the sandbox, at least in some ways. Even if an app somehow sneaks past app review and gives users unfettered access to their devices, it can't ever get too many users. If it's unpopular, it's not a concern to Apple, if it becomes popular, Apple will know about it and can levy very heavy contractual fines on the dev.
- fy20 2y ago
  It's worth mentioning none of these concerns affected Android / Google Play, even though it's fairly easy to sideload and even install custom app stores there. The only phones that come with alternative stores are from Chinese manufacturers, which isn't going to be an issue for Apple as the operating system isn't open source.
  - Operyl 2y ago
    Didn’t Samsung introduce their own App Store? https://galaxystore.samsung.com/ https://galaxystore.samsung.com/
    - hatsix 2y ago
      it ships both app stores on every android phone. In my experience, people only use the Samsung store by accident
      - Operyl 2y ago
        I was just refuting the “only Chinese phones have alt stores” factoid.
        wkat4242 2y ago
        The OPs main point was that the existence of sideloading or third-party app stores hasn't led to major security issues. And apps still have to comply with the sandboxing.
- beeflet 2y ago
  that still sounds like technical means
- benoau 2y ago
  Your ideas are explicitly illegal in the EU and, if the law ever passes, would be illegal in the US too. Frankly I think we are past having to figure out ways for Apple to tax software usage in all circumstances, just wait for the law to catch up and it's all moot. In fact, just the Epic case seeks to rewrite what amounts to 70% of App Store spending: gacha games being able to link to their own billing options. > The legislation aims to prevent Big Tech companies from "self-preferencing" their own products at the expense of competitors.[3] Under AICO, covered platforms would be forbidden from disadvantaging other companies' products or services. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Innovation_and_Choice_Online_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Innovation_and_Choice...
wkat4242 2y ago
I know. This is the real reason, not the purported "security issues". Apple just wants to sell their hugely expensive cake and eat it. The only reason that macOS is not locked down is historical. Because it's always been open and people would be screaming if they took it away. It's a shame as a user. I paid for the device, I should decide what happens on it. Apple doesn't have an innate right to store revenue.

viccis 2y ago

>It is heavy but I don’t mind it. Consider trying a counter weight. Hunting supply stores sell them for nightvision goggles, and when I tried one on my friend's Valve Index it was shocking how much better it felt.

amelius 2y ago
Sounds like Apple's product designers failed here.
- brookst 2y ago
  Nah, it was the right call. Advertising it at nearly 2x the weight so X% of people find it more comfortable is a bad trade off. I use mine all the time and don’t notice the weight. Perhaps because I use various types of helmets frequently. It is far far far less noticeable than a motorcycle helmet, and far less noticeable than a good full face bike helmet.
  - Gigachad 2y ago
    I haven’t tried the Apple vision, but from other VR products, the problem isn’t the weight on your head, it’s where it’s distributed. Having all that weight resting on your cheeks quickly becomes uncomfortable and makes the muscles on your face sore.
makeitdouble 2y ago
To note, counter weight helps alleviate single pressure points when stationary or slowly moving. It will make it significantly worse for people moving their head a lot or walking around. That's the same issue as the Airpod Max, which are extremely well balanced but just so damn heavy, so I guess people just build neck muscles ?

jemmyw 2y ago

> Btw protip, tea tastes fine through a metal straw Sounds burny

swyx 2y ago
was this a microplastics thing or a dogwhistle coded for some dark net activity? i hav eno idea
- jemmyw 2y ago
  No, it's just easy to burn yourself sucking a hot liquid through a straw.
- karlgkk 2y ago
  No it’s because I like to drink tea while I work and I don’t enjoy the idea of splashing liquid into the fan intake of a $3500 computer
givemeethekeys 2y ago
Bamboo straws work well too. But you'd still want the tea to be not too hot. Some quick searching resulted in Sipify straws.

steelframe 2y ago

> tea tastes fine through a metal straw I can't help but think about this story every time I hear someone talk about metal straws. https://www.today.com/health/health/metal-straw-punctures-throat-artery-brain-rcna45635 https://www.today.com/health/health/metal-straw-punctures-th...