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While the brave men should be applauded, can I vent my frustration about these victims, who decided it was a good idea to stay alone in a mountain AirBnB in the

by oefrha 2y ago

While the brave men should be applauded, can I vent my frustration about these victims, who decided it was a good idea to stay alone in a mountain AirBnB in the possible path of an incoming hurricane (I won’t even say this if they actually lived there)? It’s not like the hurricane came out of nowhere, there was plenty of advance warning. Good people sometimes die trying to rescue these idiots. Oh and there’s also a 4yo? WTF.

aaomidi 2y ago
This is an unprecedented hurricane and humans make mistakes. These folks will never make that mistake in the future :)
- oefrha 2y ago
  Even a significantly weaker hurricane can end badly for you if you’re alone in the mountains when it rips through.
sethammons 2y ago
This is a mountain area with regular residents that is over five hours of driving from the ocean. They expected a couple inches of rain. They didn't expect 20 inches and a dam to break. Nobody predicted this kind of damage. These were not idiots who ignored warnings. These are people who were hit with an unprecedented natural disaster and if you had called them idiots outloud around here you may end up with a broken nose.
- oefrha 2y ago
  Five hours of driving from the ocean is nothing. I have lived on opposite sides of the world and prepared for both hurricanes and typhoons plenty of times while being further from shore. I have prepared for two recently. These aren’t natural disasters without warning (unlike say earthquakes), and while you can hardly mitigate the damage, there’s no excuse being stranded unless you simply live alone. Maybe people in your area collectively have no preparedness at all, if they all think moving away from a mountain AirBnB into civilization in preparation for a hurricane is outlandish.
  - sethammons 2y ago
    Gotcha. These people, mostly residents, should have disregarded the predictions of 2 inches of water, assumed it could be, literally 10x as bad, and should have relocated, potentially at expense rates that would hurt their paycheck to paycheck situation. What idiots. Airbnb renters shouldn't be going into mountains during storms in general. Why do you keep bringing them up though? What percentage of the people stranded, dying, and dead are you ascribing to short term renters? I would be astounded to discover if it was more than 5%.
    - oefrha 2y ago
      > mountain AirBnB ... (I won’t even say this if they actually lived there) How about reading comments you reply to? Anyway, I’m done with this bad faith exchange. Edit: Thanks for the shadow edit changing your comment entirely after my reply, making a bad faith exchange worse. Why do I keep bringing AirBnB renters up? Maybe because I read the article before commenting and it’s what the particular incident is about? I won’t further change my reply even if there are more shadow edits.
      - sethammons 2y ago
        Clearly I read your comment as dismissing the general population there as airbnb travelers with the proviso that some may actually live there
  - infamia 2y ago
    > if they all think moving away from a mountain AirBnB into civilization in preparation for a hurricane is outlandish. I would love to hear why you think a big portion of the people impacted are AirBnB tourists, or are you just going by what you see in the news?
- blank429384jf 2y ago
  A couple inches? NOAA was forcasting record flooding days before the storm. Local news in the Triangle were showing pictures from the 1916 Asheville flood and saying this storm was going to be worse. There were mandatory evacuation orders all over. The severity of the situation leading up to the storm wasn't lost on me. We need to understand how people didn't get the message, or didn't believe it if they did get it, or got it and believed it but didn't have an option to leave. Those people didn't have to get stranded. A friend has a kid in a school in Boone. The school didn't officially close until the storm was almost over them. My friends kid wasn't going to leave because they didn't want to miss a test. My friend pulled their kid out of their apartment in the middle of the night as the flood waters started rising. My friend knew what was happening, but the school officials didn't? That kind of ignorance is excredible dangerous.
  - infamia 2y ago
    > NOAA was forcasting record flooding days before the storm. The NWS forecast record flooding about 36 hours (!) before the storm hit. They only issued a flood watch shortly before everything became unpassable. Perhaps it was unavoidable, but the NWS has some serious explaining to do. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/04/helene-flooding-north-carolina-tennessee-alerts-warnings/75501181007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/04/helene...
tempodox 2y ago
How nice of you to share your priorities. But if you don't want to discuss how to save the greatest number of lives we possibly can, and instead rather argue about who deserves saving in the first place, maybe you should find a different forum for that.

by oefrha 2y ago

aaomidi 2y ago

This is an unprecedented hurricane and humans make mistakes. These folks will never make that mistake in the future :)

oefrha 2y ago
Even a significantly weaker hurricane can end badly for you if you’re alone in the mountains when it rips through.

sethammons 2y ago

This is a mountain area with regular residents that is over five hours of driving from the ocean. They expected a couple inches of rain. They didn't expect 20 inches and a dam to break. Nobody predicted this kind of damage. These were not idiots who ignored warnings. These are people who were hit with an unprecedented natural disaster and if you had called them idiots outloud around here you may end up with a broken nose.

oefrha 2y ago
Five hours of driving from the ocean is nothing. I have lived on opposite sides of the world and prepared for both hurricanes and typhoons plenty of times while being further from shore. I have prepared for two recently. These aren’t natural disasters without warning (unlike say earthquakes), and while you can hardly mitigate the damage, there’s no excuse being stranded unless you simply live alone. Maybe people in your area collectively have no preparedness at all, if they all think moving away from a mountain AirBnB into civilization in preparation for a hurricane is outlandish.
- sethammons 2y ago
  Gotcha. These people, mostly residents, should have disregarded the predictions of 2 inches of water, assumed it could be, literally 10x as bad, and should have relocated, potentially at expense rates that would hurt their paycheck to paycheck situation. What idiots. Airbnb renters shouldn't be going into mountains during storms in general. Why do you keep bringing them up though? What percentage of the people stranded, dying, and dead are you ascribing to short term renters? I would be astounded to discover if it was more than 5%.
  - oefrha 2y ago
    > mountain AirBnB ... (I won’t even say this if they actually lived there) How about reading comments you reply to? Anyway, I’m done with this bad faith exchange. Edit: Thanks for the shadow edit changing your comment entirely after my reply, making a bad faith exchange worse. Why do I keep bringing AirBnB renters up? Maybe because I read the article before commenting and it’s what the particular incident is about? I won’t further change my reply even if there are more shadow edits.
    - sethammons 2y ago
      Clearly I read your comment as dismissing the general population there as airbnb travelers with the proviso that some may actually live there
- infamia 2y ago
  > if they all think moving away from a mountain AirBnB into civilization in preparation for a hurricane is outlandish. I would love to hear why you think a big portion of the people impacted are AirBnB tourists, or are you just going by what you see in the news?
blank429384jf 2y ago
A couple inches? NOAA was forcasting record flooding days before the storm. Local news in the Triangle were showing pictures from the 1916 Asheville flood and saying this storm was going to be worse. There were mandatory evacuation orders all over. The severity of the situation leading up to the storm wasn't lost on me. We need to understand how people didn't get the message, or didn't believe it if they did get it, or got it and believed it but didn't have an option to leave. Those people didn't have to get stranded. A friend has a kid in a school in Boone. The school didn't officially close until the storm was almost over them. My friends kid wasn't going to leave because they didn't want to miss a test. My friend pulled their kid out of their apartment in the middle of the night as the flood waters started rising. My friend knew what was happening, but the school officials didn't? That kind of ignorance is excredible dangerous.
- infamia 2y ago
  > NOAA was forcasting record flooding days before the storm. The NWS forecast record flooding about 36 hours (!) before the storm hit. They only issued a flood watch shortly before everything became unpassable. Perhaps it was unavoidable, but the NWS has some serious explaining to do. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/04/helene-flooding-north-carolina-tennessee-alerts-warnings/75501181007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/04/helene...

tempodox 2y ago

How nice of you to share your priorities. But if you don't want to discuss how to save the greatest number of lives we possibly can, and instead rather argue about who deserves saving in the first place, maybe you should find a different forum for that.