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I've danced extensively, and tap can be brutal for the sheer number of steps you need to remember. Other dance disciplines, like ballet, tend to chunk sets of s
by alaithea 2y ago
I've danced extensively, and tap can be brutal for the sheer number of steps you need to remember. Other dance disciplines, like ballet, tend to chunk sets of smaller movements into a larger, named one, so once you learn those sequences, it's easy to learn and recall longer routines. The way ballet is put together aligns with advice from brain science about chunking objects in memory for better recall. But tap has few of those chunked sequences, other than the "time step," so you're left trying to parse long strings of very finite instructions. "Left ball right heel left flap ball change..." Personally I found it overwhelming and didn't pursue tap into the most advanced levels for that reason.
Aside: it seemed like neurotypical folks struggled less with tap than I did as an AuDHD person, so tap may land differently with different neurotypes.
- astura 2y agoPeople are different, I tap danced for years but I found ballet almost impossible to pick up for it's complexity and dumb poses.
- pbhjpbhj 2y ago>chunking objects in memory for better recall // Can you share your source on this? Tangentially related wittering (I have flu, I'm a bit illucid rn): I do karate, I find sequenced moves to be a real mental struggle. But then I couldn't skip until I was a teenager. I blame/describe that as arrhythmia. I can't clap in time either.
- zeroxfe 2y ago>>chunking objects in memory for better recall // > Can you share your source on this? I haven't seen the research on this, but it makes intuitive sense to me as a musician. It was the only way I could learn long complex pieces.
- LeonB 2y agoThe book “Peak” - and other works by that author detail studies related to this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak:_Secrets_from_the_New_Science_of_Expertise https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak:_Secrets_from_the_New_S... > The book was written partly as a response to the misrepresented but increasingly commonplace idea of the "10,000-hour rule," popularized by Malcolm Gladwell in his 2008 book Outliers and which Gladwell had based on Ericsson's own research.
- Anthony-G 2y agoThanks for that reference. Having read Outliers years ago, Peak sounds like a useful follow-on and the concept of “deliberate practice” makes sense to me. I’ve been learning guitar over the past couple of years and I still struggle with many aspects (with good rhythm and timing being the most difficult). I’m mostly self-taught (justinguitar.com) but have recently started a music class to get feedback on my playing. My wife is also learning Mandarin and it sounds like the kind of book that she’d be interested in.
- LeonB 2y ago> I’ve been learning guitar over the past couple of years and I still struggle with many aspects (with good rhythm and timing being the most difficult). Same, same and same, here. Good luck to you!
- alaithea 2y agoSure. There’s a Wikipedia page on Chunking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunking_(psychology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunking_(psychology) Arrhythmia and trouble doing sequenced moves… that’s interesting. I can’t quite make the connection but wouldn’t be surprised if there is one. On the flip side, I’ve actually used rhythm to help me memorize things at times, e.g. saying multiplication tables like they’re a poem or a chant. My kid just picked this up from me and started doing it on her own and it seemed to accelerate her learning.
- kmoser 2y agoHave you tried verbalizing as an aid to learning sequenced moves?