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I honestly cannot tell whether this is an intentional troll meme attempt. This is just too good to be true. A more intelligent, less shallow woman [would've se

I honestly cannot tell whether this is an intentional troll meme attempt. This is just too good to be true. A more intelligent, less shallow woman [would've seen past the lack of a bed frame] [bed frames] separate me from my early retirement. ahahahh so you will retire 15 minutes earlier after a lifetime of sleeping on the floor, what an intelligent trade-off

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
It is not a joke or a troll. I have made the choice to save a few hundred dollars here or there many thousands of times. It adds up. I do believe living frugally is virtuous. I do think not acknowledging others care, sacrifice or not, for utility over aesthetic is shallow. I know people who would not have made such a silly judgement. I appreciate that quality in those people.
aaron695 2y ago
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imtringued 2y ago
Calling a woman shallow for being concerned about your sleeping conditions sure sounds like trolling.
- wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
  It is disingenuous to call it "conditions" as though we were discussing a negative quality of sleep or negative health influence a merely unframed mattress would not realistically cause. I think needless over-concern with aesthetics is a very common issue. I do equate it with shallowness. I think most people do consider it to be shallow. I do think many of the worlds problems are caused by excessive attention to that which does not matter, and not enough attention to that which matters a lot. It is a difference in values. To give context, I grew up poor. The first 16 years of my life I slept on futons on the floor. When I finally did have a typical american bed with frame, headboard, boxspring, and mattress, it made me uncomfortable. I eventually gave away the headboard to a sibling. I value the extra few inches beyond the mattress and do not like hitting my head, or hanging my feet over the edge. The discomfort cost was not worth the aesthetic gain. (I didnt think the headboard really looked good anyways.) If a woman rejects me solely for my well considered preference in sleeping platform, she is shallow. I would hope she cared for more important things such as the way we treat eachother, reliability, patience, etc. Moral virtue. Living inexpensively, being happy with less, the absence of vanity. These are good qualities. A good person will be able to recognize these, and love another for them.
foldr 2y ago
I remember the experiment a while ago with the ban on political topics on HN. What this site more urgently needs is a ban on any discussion of sex or dating. It’s always pretty sick-making.
- wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
  I do not see this as a political topic. I do not see this as a men versus women topic. I see it as a discussion of value, utility versus aesthetics. I do think people care too much for aesthetics at the expense of their own utility. I do think that condition is aptly called shallowness.
  - foldr 2y ago
    I didn't say that it was a political topic. It's a lot closer to being that than to being what you think it is, though.
    - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
      Semantics
      - foldr 2y ago
        No, I really just didn't say that it was a political topic.
        wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
        Ah I see. I misunderstood. Why do you think posts that are of that type should be banned?
- pjc50 2y ago
  There's a de facto ban on discussion of anything even vaguely feminist such as pay differentials, it always gets flagged off the front page immediately. There's very, very few women posters. Occasionally people post "population decline??" articles, which also suffer from lack of women participants, and deserve to get flagged off.

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago

It is not a joke or a troll. I have made the choice to save a few hundred dollars here or there many thousands of times. It adds up. I do believe living frugally is virtuous. I do think not acknowledging others care, sacrifice or not, for utility over aesthetic is shallow. I know people who would not have made such a silly judgement. I appreciate that quality in those people.

aaron695 2y ago

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imtringued 2y ago

Calling a woman shallow for being concerned about your sleeping conditions sure sounds like trolling.

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
It is disingenuous to call it "conditions" as though we were discussing a negative quality of sleep or negative health influence a merely unframed mattress would not realistically cause. I think needless over-concern with aesthetics is a very common issue. I do equate it with shallowness. I think most people do consider it to be shallow. I do think many of the worlds problems are caused by excessive attention to that which does not matter, and not enough attention to that which matters a lot. It is a difference in values. To give context, I grew up poor. The first 16 years of my life I slept on futons on the floor. When I finally did have a typical american bed with frame, headboard, boxspring, and mattress, it made me uncomfortable. I eventually gave away the headboard to a sibling. I value the extra few inches beyond the mattress and do not like hitting my head, or hanging my feet over the edge. The discomfort cost was not worth the aesthetic gain. (I didnt think the headboard really looked good anyways.) If a woman rejects me solely for my well considered preference in sleeping platform, she is shallow. I would hope she cared for more important things such as the way we treat eachother, reliability, patience, etc. Moral virtue. Living inexpensively, being happy with less, the absence of vanity. These are good qualities. A good person will be able to recognize these, and love another for them.

foldr 2y ago

I remember the experiment a while ago with the ban on political topics on HN. What this site more urgently needs is a ban on any discussion of sex or dating. It’s always pretty sick-making.

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
I do not see this as a political topic. I do not see this as a men versus women topic. I see it as a discussion of value, utility versus aesthetics. I do think people care too much for aesthetics at the expense of their own utility. I do think that condition is aptly called shallowness.
- foldr 2y ago
  I didn't say that it was a political topic. It's a lot closer to being that than to being what you think it is, though.
  - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
    Semantics
    - foldr 2y ago
      No, I really just didn't say that it was a political topic.
      - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
        Ah I see. I misunderstood. Why do you think posts that are of that type should be banned?
pjc50 2y ago
There's a de facto ban on discussion of anything even vaguely feminist such as pay differentials, it always gets flagged off the front page immediately. There's very, very few women posters. Occasionally people post "population decline??" articles, which also suffer from lack of women participants, and deserve to get flagged off.