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Should they be contributing to their 401K too??? Health Insurance is a benefit of employment. You chose to unemploy yourself now go pay your own way. What do

Should they be contributing to their 401K too??? Health Insurance is a benefit of employment. You chose to unemploy yourself now go pay your own way. What do you expect after they rejected a 30 percent raise. They want their pension back and they ain't getting it.

Rietty 2y ago
Does striking mean you are unemployed, and if so, why? I mean I understand that you're not gonna get paid if you strike.. but feels weird to also have other things affected? Then again I don't know how the US works. (Genuine question)
linotype 2y ago
Rejecting a 30 percent raise was a great strategy for alienating them from the number of American workers who would have been happy to have gotten a raise at all over the last four years.
- jmclnx 2y ago
  Well that is the reason to join a Union, you can fight for better conditions. If where you work does not have a Union, work on creation one. Do not say "I don't have mine, so you do not get to have it either". That is the problem with the US, if you see people working and fighting for their rights and you are not, who's fault is that. But I remember correctly, the workers gave up a lot when they approved the last contract. I think part of this is to get what they gave up.
  - ajford 2y ago
    Recently unionized at my workplace and the most vocal anti-union folks were high-level/long term employees that went "Well I have mine, I can negotiate my own wins", while saying they weren't willing to pay dues just because some folks couldn't negotiate on their own. Ignoring that half the reason they can ask for whatever they want is that they are the last standing expert on some esoteric internal thing. Of course you get treated well! Too bad the rest of us don't have 15+ yrs here and practically own this or that piece code.
- putputbut 2y ago
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- triceratops 2y ago
  > the number of American workers who would have been happy to have gotten a raise at all over the last four years. Sounds like those workers should've joined unions too
more_corn 2y ago
This situation just highlights that tying healthcare to work is the stupidest invention ever.
triceratops 2y ago
> Health Insurance is a benefit of employment. Work for whatever someone else decides is fair, die, or go bankrupt paying your bills. Sheesh. > You chose to unemploy yourself now go pay your own way. They didn't quit. > What do you expect after they rejected a 30 percent raise. Their job is to negotiate as much as they think they can get. It's not up to me or you (unless you're Boeing management) to pass judgement on those demands.
- frankharv 2y ago
  >They didn't quit. Are they receiving a paycheck from Boeing? If you go out on FMLA do you get Health Care Benefits? No because you are not currently an active employee. Doesn't mean you quit or are terminated It just means you chose not to work. Same thing with strike. You do not get benefits while away from job unless you take PTO. You can retain your healthcare plan but you must pay full amount. You are not an active employee at the moment. Read the employee handbook. I betcha its covered. People like to complain. Where is union strike fund to pay for these benefits? I bet they pay in but Union President doesn't even work there. He is mafia like guy who has nothing to lose. Like the ILA prez. "I will cripple you." Its not a threat but a promise. Unions had their day. Now they cover for people who should not have a job.
  - triceratops 2y ago
    But they remain employed. They didn't "unemploy" themselves, as you said in your original comment. > Read the employee handbook. I betcha its covered. People like to complain. "Legal" and "looks good in the court of public opinion" are very different things. Both are fair game in a negotiation. > Where is union strike fund to pay for these benefits? How do you know it isn't paying? All we know is Boeing is not paying.
    - frankharv 2y ago
      I am no fanboy of Boeing. I just think its absurd to expect benefits for no work.

Rietty 2y ago

Does striking mean you are unemployed, and if so, why? I mean I understand that you're not gonna get paid if you strike.. but feels weird to also have other things affected? Then again I don't know how the US works. (Genuine question)

linotype 2y ago

Rejecting a 30 percent raise was a great strategy for alienating them from the number of American workers who would have been happy to have gotten a raise at all over the last four years.

jmclnx 2y ago
Well that is the reason to join a Union, you can fight for better conditions. If where you work does not have a Union, work on creation one. Do not say "I don't have mine, so you do not get to have it either". That is the problem with the US, if you see people working and fighting for their rights and you are not, who's fault is that. But I remember correctly, the workers gave up a lot when they approved the last contract. I think part of this is to get what they gave up.
- ajford 2y ago
  Recently unionized at my workplace and the most vocal anti-union folks were high-level/long term employees that went "Well I have mine, I can negotiate my own wins", while saying they weren't willing to pay dues just because some folks couldn't negotiate on their own. Ignoring that half the reason they can ask for whatever they want is that they are the last standing expert on some esoteric internal thing. Of course you get treated well! Too bad the rest of us don't have 15+ yrs here and practically own this or that piece code.
putputbut 2y ago
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triceratops 2y ago
> the number of American workers who would have been happy to have gotten a raise at all over the last four years. Sounds like those workers should've joined unions too

more_corn 2y ago

This situation just highlights that tying healthcare to work is the stupidest invention ever.

triceratops 2y ago

> Health Insurance is a benefit of employment. Work for whatever someone else decides is fair, die, or go bankrupt paying your bills. Sheesh. > You chose to unemploy yourself now go pay your own way. They didn't quit. > What do you expect after they rejected a 30 percent raise. Their job is to negotiate as much as they think they can get. It's not up to me or you (unless you're Boeing management) to pass judgement on those demands.

frankharv 2y ago
>They didn't quit. Are they receiving a paycheck from Boeing? If you go out on FMLA do you get Health Care Benefits? No because you are not currently an active employee. Doesn't mean you quit or are terminated It just means you chose not to work. Same thing with strike. You do not get benefits while away from job unless you take PTO. You can retain your healthcare plan but you must pay full amount. You are not an active employee at the moment. Read the employee handbook. I betcha its covered. People like to complain. Where is union strike fund to pay for these benefits? I bet they pay in but Union President doesn't even work there. He is mafia like guy who has nothing to lose. Like the ILA prez. "I will cripple you." Its not a threat but a promise. Unions had their day. Now they cover for people who should not have a job.
- triceratops 2y ago
  But they remain employed. They didn't "unemploy" themselves, as you said in your original comment. > Read the employee handbook. I betcha its covered. People like to complain. "Legal" and "looks good in the court of public opinion" are very different things. Both are fair game in a negotiation. > Where is union strike fund to pay for these benefits? How do you know it isn't paying? All we know is Boeing is not paying.
  - frankharv 2y ago
    I am no fanboy of Boeing. I just think its absurd to expect benefits for no work.