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Ice delivery guy goes on strike. Demands ban of fridges.

by TekMol 2y ago

happytoexplain 2y ago
Why be so snide and dismissive regarding people's livelihoods?
- poszlem 2y ago
  We have been through this exact scenario hundreds of times with different technologies. As usual, someone's loss is another's gain. For example, people who have ideas to express but are not native English speakers, or those who struggle with expressing themselves in writing, will absolutely benefit from this technology.
  - consteval 2y ago
    > We have been through this exact scenario hundreds of times with different technologies Yes, and we left people behind repeatedly. You'll notice people who may have intellectual or learning disabilities can no longer find a job with a decent wage in the US. Previously they could, because manual labor jobs were plenty. Now those are automated. When we further automate and automate, we raise the barrier to entry, because robots or AI can perform the bottom most tasks. So, people who are not capable are left behind, and eventually there will be nobody to work jobs. If the average job requires reading and writing, most people can do it. If the average job requires a high school diploma, less can do it. If the average job requires a degree, even less can do it, and so on and so on.
    - TekMol 2y ago
      More and more work being done by technology and people having more and more leisure time is a bad thing? Isn't the end result - all work being done by technology and all people having all of their time to spend on fun activities - a pretty nice situation?
      - consteval 2y ago
        > people having more and more leisure time is a bad thing? What could possibly make you think this is the end result? In the past 50 years, productivity across the whole economy has went up over an order of magnitude. People in the 70s were working 40 hours a week - are you now working 4 hours? We don't have precedent for this, is my point. The solution to lost work is make people work something else. My point is what happens when there is no something else for those people to work? Will we have leisure? Who will pay for uncapable people to have leisure? This sounds like UBI. > all work being done by technology and all people having all of their time to spend on fun activities Maybe in the end, but what happens before that? Like, say, 25% of people are "smart" enough to still work a job, what happens to the 75%? Or even 90% of people work but 10% can't, do we just like... kill those 10% or? We haven't really figured this out.
      - cudgy 2y ago
        Leisure time? You mean “leisure time” digging for food in dumpsters and begging for scraps of change? Or is there some magical money machine that the main benefactors of AI will provide for the “fortunate” people removed from the economy and provided with so much “leisure” time?
- TekMol 2y ago
  What I tried to express is how we will look back on this in the future. Demanding a ban of AI will look just as insane as it would be to demand a ban of the wheel, metal, electricity, machines, computers or the internet.
  - vouaobrasil 2y ago
    Or the nuclear bomb? Yet we do have a sort of "ban" on it. Some things are just too powerful, and not all technological inventions are good. What about nerve gas? The world has effectively banned that too.
ayaen 2y ago
I am sorry, the analogy is completely lost on me. Care to expand? Thanks.
- timkq 2y ago
  I'll add another analogy of my own: "guy harvests his own ice, is mad at others for buying it from the store" He is mad at others using AI on his favorite blogging website. I think it is an insult to himself, because most AI produced articles etc. are unreadable and full of useless filler information - I think the guy can do better.
- poszlem 2y ago
  The analogy compares a writer complaining about generative AI to an ice delivery person demanding a ban on refrigerators. Here's the breakdown: Ice delivery guy = Traditional writer Going on strike = Complaining or protesting Demanding ban of fridges = Calling for restrictions on generative AI The analogy suggests that the writer's complaint about generative AI is as futile and outdated as an ice delivery person trying to ban refrigerators. Just as refrigerators made ice delivery largely obsolete, the implication is that generative AI might be seen as a technological advancement that could potentially impact traditional writing roles.
- TekMol 2y ago
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Ice delivery guy goes on strike. Demands ban of fridges.

by TekMol 2y ago

Ice delivery guy goes on strike. Demands ban of fridges.

happytoexplain 2y ago

Why be so snide and dismissive regarding people's livelihoods?

poszlem 2y ago
We have been through this exact scenario hundreds of times with different technologies. As usual, someone's loss is another's gain. For example, people who have ideas to express but are not native English speakers, or those who struggle with expressing themselves in writing, will absolutely benefit from this technology.
- consteval 2y ago
  > We have been through this exact scenario hundreds of times with different technologies Yes, and we left people behind repeatedly. You'll notice people who may have intellectual or learning disabilities can no longer find a job with a decent wage in the US. Previously they could, because manual labor jobs were plenty. Now those are automated. When we further automate and automate, we raise the barrier to entry, because robots or AI can perform the bottom most tasks. So, people who are not capable are left behind, and eventually there will be nobody to work jobs. If the average job requires reading and writing, most people can do it. If the average job requires a high school diploma, less can do it. If the average job requires a degree, even less can do it, and so on and so on.
  - TekMol 2y ago
    More and more work being done by technology and people having more and more leisure time is a bad thing? Isn't the end result - all work being done by technology and all people having all of their time to spend on fun activities - a pretty nice situation?
    - consteval 2y ago
      > people having more and more leisure time is a bad thing? What could possibly make you think this is the end result? In the past 50 years, productivity across the whole economy has went up over an order of magnitude. People in the 70s were working 40 hours a week - are you now working 4 hours? We don't have precedent for this, is my point. The solution to lost work is make people work something else. My point is what happens when there is no something else for those people to work? Will we have leisure? Who will pay for uncapable people to have leisure? This sounds like UBI. > all work being done by technology and all people having all of their time to spend on fun activities Maybe in the end, but what happens before that? Like, say, 25% of people are "smart" enough to still work a job, what happens to the 75%? Or even 90% of people work but 10% can't, do we just like... kill those 10% or? We haven't really figured this out.
    - cudgy 2y ago
      Leisure time? You mean “leisure time” digging for food in dumpsters and begging for scraps of change? Or is there some magical money machine that the main benefactors of AI will provide for the “fortunate” people removed from the economy and provided with so much “leisure” time?
TekMol 2y ago
What I tried to express is how we will look back on this in the future. Demanding a ban of AI will look just as insane as it would be to demand a ban of the wheel, metal, electricity, machines, computers or the internet.
- vouaobrasil 2y ago
  Or the nuclear bomb? Yet we do have a sort of "ban" on it. Some things are just too powerful, and not all technological inventions are good. What about nerve gas? The world has effectively banned that too.

ayaen 2y ago

I am sorry, the analogy is completely lost on me. Care to expand? Thanks.

timkq 2y ago
I'll add another analogy of my own: "guy harvests his own ice, is mad at others for buying it from the store" He is mad at others using AI on his favorite blogging website. I think it is an insult to himself, because most AI produced articles etc. are unreadable and full of useless filler information - I think the guy can do better.
poszlem 2y ago
The analogy compares a writer complaining about generative AI to an ice delivery person demanding a ban on refrigerators. Here's the breakdown: Ice delivery guy = Traditional writer Going on strike = Complaining or protesting Demanding ban of fridges = Calling for restrictions on generative AI The analogy suggests that the writer's complaint about generative AI is as futile and outdated as an ice delivery person trying to ban refrigerators. Just as refrigerators made ice delivery largely obsolete, the implication is that generative AI might be seen as a technological advancement that could potentially impact traditional writing roles.
TekMol 2y ago
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