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https://gbatemp.net/threads/ryujinx-emulator-github-repository-currently-down.661497/ https://gbatemp.net/threads/ryujinx-emulator-github-reposito... > UPDATE

by notamy 2y ago

https://gbatemp.net/threads/ryujinx-emulator-github-repository-currently-down.661497/ https://gbatemp.net/threads/ryujinx-emulator-github-reposito... > UPDATE #3: According to an official statement on Ryujinx's Discord server, developer gdkchan was contacted by Nintendo and they were offered an agreement to stop working on the emulator project, and while the agreement wasn't confirmed yet, the organization has been entirely removed.

duxup 2y ago
I get the message but this is one of those things where you should have YOUR explanation ready before you pause everything... Granted that's understandable if they didn't choose the timeline.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
  It's hard to blame a hobby group for not having a perfect comms strategy.
  - the_gorilla 2y ago
    It's still true, though. If they really don't want people to speculate on why they did something, they can provide a reason. It doesn't require an entire PR team to figure that out.
    - borski 2y ago
      If and only if this was their intent and timeline. May be external.
    - Xylakant 2y ago
      They may have been hit by something entirely unexpected and may still need to get their bearings. "It's not github, it's not a DCMA takedown." may very well be the only thing they can communicate with a modicum of certainty at this moment.
    - klyrs 2y ago
      There are a million reasons not to say something, and a blush of legal anything should deter you from opening your mouth in public before you're straight with a lawyer.
    - nine_k 2y ago
      If what you say may have legal implications, it might be wiser to just say "no comments" for some time, while seeking proper counseling. "Not DMCA" and "not GitHub" is plenty already. But maybe it's a possible malware infiltration, or having something unbecoming committed to the repo by mistake, or anything else that might warrant denying public access for some time to prevent damage.
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    - squeaky-clean 2y ago
      I think protecting themselves from being sued into oblivion is more important than getting a message out to users an hour earlier. We don't have any form of SLA agreement with Ryujinx Also the project is being shut down. Why should they care about community reaction?
      - the_gorilla 2y ago
        Why do I get so many inane responses every time I post here? Does it really take 5 people? It's impossible to respond even if I wanted to.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    This, a hundred times over. It turns out that communication isn't entirely a bullshit field of study* and it requires significant planning and effort to keep people happy. * note: all fields have bullshit; this is a recent learning of mine -- unlearning, rather, of a single day of a communications class which left me with the impression that many of us here seem to have of soft sciences: all bullshit by default.
ls612 2y ago
I mean it's hard to imagine this being anything other than the worst.
Liquix 2y ago
> it's not a DMCA, it's not an issue with GitHub. glaring omission of the statement "it's not an issue with Nintendo". they have a reputation for relentlessly pursuing the creators of homebrew/emu projects like this. sometimes even going as far as contracting operatives to stalk hobby devs living outside of Japan. look up "nintendo ninjas"...
- devmor 2y ago
  It was indeed Nintendo. They released a statement about 50 minutes ago that the lead developer "agreed to stop working on the project" after speaking with Nintendo.
  - tomcam 2y ago
    Nice career you have there. Be a shame if something happened to it.
jsheard 2y ago
RE: Update 3 (gdkchan being "encouraged" to step down) I'm mostly just surprised it took Nintendo this long to make a move - the Switch is on its last legs, its successor is less than a year away and almost certainly won't be hacked for a good while. Acting in a way that's bound to piss everyone off but doing it so late that the upside to them is minimal (there won't be that many more new Switch games to pirate at this point) is a weird unforced error. Lawyers move in mysterious ways I guess.
- textadventure 2y ago
  Do you think the average joe who owns a Switch or is a potential client for their next console, is even aware of any of this happening? This is the tiniest of stories. The only way the public at large can become aware of emulators is if they hit a big app store. So as far as timing of this move goes, it's as good a time as any to "protect what's theirs".
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- Lan 2y ago
  I would assume the launch of the Switch successor is why they are clamping down. It's likely very similar architecturally to the Switch. Nobody knows how long it would take to hack it, someone could be silently sitting on an exploit that they've been saving to see if it'll work on the successor. In the event it's hacked quickly and there are still actively developed Switch emulators, it wouldn't be a stretch to believe support would quickly be added to those emulators for the successor.
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- sundarurfriend 2y ago
  > Acting in a way that's bound to piss everyone off but doing it so late that the upside to them is minimal ... is a weird unforced error. This describes their response to Palworld (the Pokemon-"inspired" game that they're suing now) too. When Palworld came out, everyone was talking about how it blatantly copied things and how surprised they are that Nintendo is doing nothing. Now, after several months of people playing Palworld and many of them enjoying it, Nintendo is suddenly choosing to sue them. And predictably, the general response is a lot more negative now, with people having a lot more positive associations with Palworld and having gotten used to assuming that it's here-to-stay. > Lawyers move in mysterious ways I guess. Indeed. The timeline to build a case doesn't necessarily align with the business profit goals (like in the Switch case) nor with the public relations goals (like in the Palworld case).
nurettin 2y ago
Interesting, I wonder if this means that they got paid.
ndiddy 2y ago
In case anyone's curious about Nintendo's general MO (not sure how similar this case is) around 10 years ago they successfully prevented someone from publishing a method to run arbitrary code on the 3DS using an NDA and the threat of legal action. Here's some documents detailing their approach: https://archive.org/details/Knock_And_Talk_directcontact/Knock_And_Talk_directcnotact/Final%20Enforcement%20Proposal%20Neimod%204%205%2013/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/Knock_And_Talk_directcontact/Kno...
alfalfasprout 2y ago
Given that Ryujinx is open source, I wonder what rights other OSS contributors have? Surely there's nothing stopping another fork from continued development provided nothing illegal is happening.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  Even if you think/"know" the project to be 100% legit do you want to be the OSS contributor that spends the next year or two in court fighting Nintendo about it or did you just like writing some emulator code once in a while in your spare time?
koolala 2y ago
A threat is not a natural 'agreement'.

by notamy 2y ago

duxup 2y ago

I get the message but this is one of those things where you should have YOUR explanation ready before you pause everything... Granted that's understandable if they didn't choose the timeline.

SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
It's hard to blame a hobby group for not having a perfect comms strategy.
- the_gorilla 2y ago
  It's still true, though. If they really don't want people to speculate on why they did something, they can provide a reason. It doesn't require an entire PR team to figure that out.
  - borski 2y ago
    If and only if this was their intent and timeline. May be external.
  - Xylakant 2y ago
    They may have been hit by something entirely unexpected and may still need to get their bearings. "It's not github, it's not a DCMA takedown." may very well be the only thing they can communicate with a modicum of certainty at this moment.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    There are a million reasons not to say something, and a blush of legal anything should deter you from opening your mouth in public before you're straight with a lawyer.
  - nine_k 2y ago
    If what you say may have legal implications, it might be wiser to just say "no comments" for some time, while seeking proper counseling. "Not DMCA" and "not GitHub" is plenty already. But maybe it's a possible malware infiltration, or having something unbecoming committed to the repo by mistake, or anything else that might warrant denying public access for some time to prevent damage.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - squeaky-clean 2y ago
    I think protecting themselves from being sued into oblivion is more important than getting a message out to users an hour earlier. We don't have any form of SLA agreement with Ryujinx Also the project is being shut down. Why should they care about community reaction?
    - the_gorilla 2y ago
      Why do I get so many inane responses every time I post here? Does it really take 5 people? It's impossible to respond even if I wanted to.
- klyrs 2y ago
  This, a hundred times over. It turns out that communication isn't entirely a bullshit field of study* and it requires significant planning and effort to keep people happy. * note: all fields have bullshit; this is a recent learning of mine -- unlearning, rather, of a single day of a communications class which left me with the impression that many of us here seem to have of soft sciences: all bullshit by default.

ls612 2y ago

I mean it's hard to imagine this being anything other than the worst.

Liquix 2y ago

> it's not a DMCA, it's not an issue with GitHub. glaring omission of the statement "it's not an issue with Nintendo". they have a reputation for relentlessly pursuing the creators of homebrew/emu projects like this. sometimes even going as far as contracting operatives to stalk hobby devs living outside of Japan. look up "nintendo ninjas"...

devmor 2y ago
It was indeed Nintendo. They released a statement about 50 minutes ago that the lead developer "agreed to stop working on the project" after speaking with Nintendo.
- tomcam 2y ago
  Nice career you have there. Be a shame if something happened to it.

jsheard 2y ago

RE: Update 3 (gdkchan being "encouraged" to step down) I'm mostly just surprised it took Nintendo this long to make a move - the Switch is on its last legs, its successor is less than a year away and almost certainly won't be hacked for a good while. Acting in a way that's bound to piss everyone off but doing it so late that the upside to them is minimal (there won't be that many more new Switch games to pirate at this point) is a weird unforced error. Lawyers move in mysterious ways I guess.

textadventure 2y ago
Do you think the average joe who owns a Switch or is a potential client for their next console, is even aware of any of this happening? This is the tiniest of stories. The only way the public at large can become aware of emulators is if they hit a big app store. So as far as timing of this move goes, it's as good a time as any to "protect what's theirs".
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
Lan 2y ago
I would assume the launch of the Switch successor is why they are clamping down. It's likely very similar architecturally to the Switch. Nobody knows how long it would take to hack it, someone could be silently sitting on an exploit that they've been saving to see if it'll work on the successor. In the event it's hacked quickly and there are still actively developed Switch emulators, it wouldn't be a stretch to believe support would quickly be added to those emulators for the successor.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
sundarurfriend 2y ago
> Acting in a way that's bound to piss everyone off but doing it so late that the upside to them is minimal ... is a weird unforced error. This describes their response to Palworld (the Pokemon-"inspired" game that they're suing now) too. When Palworld came out, everyone was talking about how it blatantly copied things and how surprised they are that Nintendo is doing nothing. Now, after several months of people playing Palworld and many of them enjoying it, Nintendo is suddenly choosing to sue them. And predictably, the general response is a lot more negative now, with people having a lot more positive associations with Palworld and having gotten used to assuming that it's here-to-stay. > Lawyers move in mysterious ways I guess. Indeed. The timeline to build a case doesn't necessarily align with the business profit goals (like in the Switch case) nor with the public relations goals (like in the Palworld case).

nurettin 2y ago

Interesting, I wonder if this means that they got paid.

ndiddy 2y ago

In case anyone's curious about Nintendo's general MO (not sure how similar this case is) around 10 years ago they successfully prevented someone from publishing a method to run arbitrary code on the 3DS using an NDA and the threat of legal action. Here's some documents detailing their approach: https://archive.org/details/Knock_And_Talk_directcontact/Knock_And_Talk_directcnotact/Final%20Enforcement%20Proposal%20Neimod%204%205%2013/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/Knock_And_Talk_directcontact/Kno...

alfalfasprout 2y ago

Given that Ryujinx is open source, I wonder what rights other OSS contributors have? Surely there's nothing stopping another fork from continued development provided nothing illegal is happening.

zamadatix 2y ago
Even if you think/"know" the project to be 100% legit do you want to be the OSS contributor that spends the next year or two in court fighting Nintendo about it or did you just like writing some emulator code once in a while in your spare time?

koolala 2y ago

A threat is not a natural 'agreement'.