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Why do yo assume adversaries would not - exactly for this reason (men dismissing women as an attack vector) - ask a women to plant a device? It's prejudice all

Why do yo assume adversaries would not - exactly for this reason (men dismissing women as an attack vector) - ask a women to plant a device? It's prejudice all the way down. This has nothing to do with DEI hiring. I mean: why is it up to women or people of different ethnicity to spot people who should not be in a building? Why can't men dump this perceived bias and not be so - allegedly - vulnerable? To me this really reads as an excuse to be dismissive of the accomplishment of a women who was succesvol at her job.

sandworm101 2y ago
>> Why can't men dump this perceived bias and not be so - allegedly - vulnerable? The certainly can, but the average minimum-wage front desk security guard tends to not. Doing so takes training. There are security guards specifically tipped to counter this sort of thing. It is taught in areas such as national security and, ironically, the entertainment industry. And why would this diminish one's accomplishments? For a physical pen tester, getting through is all that matters. Putting the effort in to being more physically attractive, as a tool, should not be diminished. Have a look at some of the spies that Russia has sent to penetrate US systems. Nobody thinks any less of them for being attractive. It is a very powerful weapon that certainly takes more effort than learning to metasploit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Chapman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Chapman
- Freak_NL 2y ago
  True, but it doesn't have anything to do with diversity in hiring. Attractive people have an effect on everyone regardless of gender or skin colour. It's the combination of being attractive (but not overtly so), looking professional, looking as if you know exactly what you are doing, and being able to shrug off any questions in a plausible manner. You have to be likeable and trustworthy, and being attractive, apparently, helps to achieve that. Besides, a red team could just as easily send in the buff handsome black vending machine repairman if they figured that would get them past the security detail staffing the front entrance that day more easily, or team up and send in both; whoever gets the most questions asked just falls into the stalling routine whilst the other is waived through. It all comes down to training and giving a fuck about the job (i.e., being paid decently and made to feel appreciated).
  - orwin 2y ago
    It really depends on what you think diversity hiring ought to be. If it's about gender and skin colors, yeah, you're right. If it's about different experiences and point of view, diversity hiring might help in this case. Or good, regular training.

sandworm101 2y ago

>> Why can't men dump this perceived bias and not be so - allegedly - vulnerable? The certainly can, but the average minimum-wage front desk security guard tends to not. Doing so takes training. There are security guards specifically tipped to counter this sort of thing. It is taught in areas such as national security and, ironically, the entertainment industry. And why would this diminish one's accomplishments? For a physical pen tester, getting through is all that matters. Putting the effort in to being more physically attractive, as a tool, should not be diminished. Have a look at some of the spies that Russia has sent to penetrate US systems. Nobody thinks any less of them for being attractive. It is a very powerful weapon that certainly takes more effort than learning to metasploit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Chapman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Chapman

Freak_NL 2y ago
True, but it doesn't have anything to do with diversity in hiring. Attractive people have an effect on everyone regardless of gender or skin colour. It's the combination of being attractive (but not overtly so), looking professional, looking as if you know exactly what you are doing, and being able to shrug off any questions in a plausible manner. You have to be likeable and trustworthy, and being attractive, apparently, helps to achieve that. Besides, a red team could just as easily send in the buff handsome black vending machine repairman if they figured that would get them past the security detail staffing the front entrance that day more easily, or team up and send in both; whoever gets the most questions asked just falls into the stalling routine whilst the other is waived through. It all comes down to training and giving a fuck about the job (i.e., being paid decently and made to feel appreciated).
- orwin 2y ago
  It really depends on what you think diversity hiring ought to be. If it's about gender and skin colors, yeah, you're right. If it's about different experiences and point of view, diversity hiring might help in this case. Or good, regular training.