13 ms·

Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

86 points by fernandohur 2y ago

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
I started weight lifting 3 times a week and HIIT (shadow boxing and sometimes stationary bike) 2 times per week, total of 5 days a week. I'm way stronger and healthier after 1 year, many pains are gone, but I did injure myself many times (minors). My major struggle is the weight. I don't look in bad shape, but even eating very healthy, I just eat too much. I'm always hungry. I wish I could fix that, because I do have strength and I'm active now. Yet, my stomach still looks too big for the amount of activity I'm doing. I also walk 40 minutes per day very fast (bring kids to school and back) so the problem must be how much I eat, not the physical activity. Fought with that my whole life. The only time I mananged it I was 16 doing waterpolo 4 times a week, so I burned a lot of calories between growth and sport.
BossingAround 2y ago
Why do we need a "programmer's perspective"? Exercise has nothing to do with programming or engineering specifically. Exercise (ideally, some form of exercise that strengthens muscles that atrophy while sitting) should be a thing for everyone who sits behind for 40+ hours a week.
- loloquwowndueo 2y ago
  you’re more likely to click through if it applies to you “I usually don’t care about strength training but I am a programmer so this interests me! Let’s click through”
- blitzar 2y ago
  Because programmer's are special.
- begueradj 2y ago
  A cleaner walking 5 hours a day, and a programmer sitting 8 hours a day: that's 2 different perspectives to exercising. Actually all forms of sports are always a personal perspective. Why ? Because we are all unique biologically and psychologically. Your own perspective to sports changes over age and other factors (sickness, weight, private life ...etc). That's why you won't run 15 km tomorrow the way you did today.
  - blitzar 2y ago
    99% of workers who sit at a desk for 8 (or more) hours a day are not programmers.
    - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
      most people who sit at the desk don't have hours at a time sitting all tensed up and in a bad position because stuff is not going well and they get hyperfocused on running the code again and again, not that that happens often - but sometimes.
      - blitzar 2y ago
        Its worse, they have to sit there using the half arsed buggy software that some programmer shat out in order to get promoted to L5 in the 2021 summer of CV driven development and hasn't been updated or fixed since.
        bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        I've used half-assed buggy software before, I've worked for the government and cases had to be logged, also I've worked as a data entry worker - and of course I live in Denmark, one of the most digitized countries in the world, where the government gets away with making you use the solutions they had developed with awful UX that - really, one time I got fined 5000 dollars and had a company closed down because I thought what a program was telling me was an obvious bug - but it wasn't - when I complained to the workers and the ministry that required this solution be used they said "Oh yeah, everyone has that problem" In short I have used just as buggy crappy software as anyone, and I'm a programmer who has been hyperfocused for a day in all sorts of uncomfortable positions, for bonus points I have also worked intense physical labor in jobs where people died, just in case someone was going to play the manual labor card. I have as yet encountered nothing worse than programming when it is going very badly. When it's going easy it's a piece of cake of course.
    - akhileshwar09 2y ago
- vouaobrasil 2y ago
  Well, it might be useful because programmers are likely to spend even more time in front of a screen than the average person, and thus examples from other programmers might encourage them to exercise more. Other who sit for work find computers a necessary evil and prefer to do other things instead of working with them.
  - akhileshwar09 2y ago
    well we people just do all kind of stuff and that stuff never ends.. we feel like just few minutes but the reality is the time keep ticking and our eyes just stick to screens... and at that moment we dont even think about the health and body .
- jchw 2y ago
  You're overthinking it. It's a "programmer's perspective" because the author is a programmer. There isn't anything more to it, and as far as I can tell there's no insinuation that it is particularly special.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  You might disagree, but the most important skill of a programmer is problem-solving skills/mindset and a rational approach. A programmer's perspective of many things will be different than the average person perspective that doesn't use those skills to make decisions. He even wrote about that if you had the time to read the article before commenting: As a software engineer I though, If I should "pick boring tech", maybe I should also "pick boring sports". So I decided to pick something boring. Something old, 1000s of years old. My rationale being that for older sports there would be more easily available knowledge, failure modes would be better known, and I would be able to better understand if I was doing it wrong.
  - iamacyborg 2y ago
    Programmers are no more capable of magical thinking than the average person.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      No but what you call magical thinking we call logic.
      - iamacyborg 2y ago
        This may surprise you but the ability to think logically is not solely reserved to folks who are programmers.
        meiraleal 2y ago
        While this is true, your replies prove that some people ignore logic for some odd reasons.
- nunez 2y ago
  Because there's a science to strength training that us nerdy devs can appreciate. It's not as scientific as woodworking, but its there.
Sakos 2y ago
While I've had many physical hobbies, weight lifting has been the one that has been most beneficial to my health and my overall level of fitness. That said, don't skimp on cardio. If any bro tries to tell you that it'll impact your gains, ignore them.
- blitzar 2y ago
  The fitness fashion of the 90's was reasonably pro cardio, while the 2010's went the opposite direction. As I hit middle age, I am starting to notice the consequences and think it is time to hit something as simple as a bike / cross trainer to get some high heart rate work in regularly.
- jf22 2y ago
  Cardio will impact your gains but that shouldn't matter to you unless you're trying to maximize muscle growth.
  - Sakos 2y ago
    Exactly my point, yeah. The significance of the impact is also debatable and not nearly as much as one might think, especially if you do proper programming. I don't lift weights to compete, I lift to be healthy, strong and generally fit. That means maximizing different aspects of my physical fitness overall, even if that means a particular aspect might be weaker than if I only focused on that exclusively.
- pfhorge 2y ago
  This is called the "interference effect", and it seems like it's increasingly thought to be mostly a non-issue: https://www.strongerbyscience.com/research-spotlight-interference-effect/ https://www.strongerbyscience.com/research-spotlight-interfe...
louthy 2y ago
I started strength training a few months back (using The Pump app [1]), still a relative noob, but it's the first time I've been able to stick to any exercise programme (usually my ADHD brain loses interest and goes off to something else, like sitting on the sofa). Even though in the early days you don't notice much physical difference (other than the steady increase in weight you're able to lift), I've just watched all my stats in my fitness tracker going in a positive direction constantly (including sleep). Which is great early feedback. It's had a real positive mental impact too. I'm a pretty optimistic person in general, but now my 'inner voice' has additionally been saying "I feel great" to myself all the time. Just like a permanent high. Obviously, you'd probably get this from any exercise, but I never felt I was moving the needle with other regimes and would tend to early out, so it's been quite an eye opener. [1] https://arnoldspumpclub.com/pages/the-pump https://arnoldspumpclub.com/pages/the-pump
- uhngureff 2y ago
  > Even though in the early days you don't notice much physical difference People who do weight training always leave out the fact that you feel sore after a lift. Even the next day. This can feel like pain to the unaware and can be scary or off putting enough to become a deterrent to keep at it. It can leave you feeling weak, but often the soreness is surface level and in fact you are still stronger even with the soreness and fatigue. > (other than the steady increase in weight you're able to lift) “Steady” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Maybe you could argue that in the beginning, but adding more and more weight is more logarithmic than linear; otherwise, everyone in the gym would be benching 3 tons. I recommend ramping up weight after you can do a full 3 sets of 10 reps at your current weight. Introducing the new weight to the first set, then dropping the weight for the next two. Once comfortable with that try the new weight for 2 sets and then finally 3; then repeat.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    > People who do weight training always leave out the fact that you feel sore after a lift. Even the next day. It's absolutely normal to feel sore after any kind of exercise? If you don't you're in top shape for it, congratulations. But it ain't going to happen when progressing.
akhileshwar09 2y ago
strength training is very essential part of life. it makes your mind think more effectively. as a computer programmer i'd love to do pushups like around 50( that means 20 per set). to make my physique strong and muscular..this is ultimately effects your health.. so a healthy body have an healthy mind.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  If you're doing strength training you'll be doing no more than 1 to 6 reps of whatever exercise in sets of 1 to 3. Large numbers of reps are for looking good, not actually being strong. This leads to the rather fun paradox that body builders are quite weak for how much effort they spend on training, while someone looking like a fat mechanic will be much strong than you'd expect.
  - akhileshwar09 2y ago
    large number of reps are for looking good ,, okay ill say yes!! but i never do exercise for good looking i dont concentrate on looks rather i just watch my stamina that how long i push.... btw i dont go to gym,, so i like home workout like pushups just i said before. that fat mechanic stronger but eventually get diseased when he/she crosses 30 or 40
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      Looks like and is are two rather different things. You should probably talk to someone who knows what they are doing. Chances are you're doing damage to your body.
      - akoboldfrying 2y ago
        Yeah, doing 50 push-ups sounds pretty dangerous. As you point out, 50 is a lot more than 6. They should definitely get multiple expert opinions before continuing on this dangerous path a moment longer.
  - Sakos 2y ago
orbisvicis 2y ago
Anyone have any opinions on strength vs cardio + resistance (i.e. bands)?
- Synaesthesia 2y ago
  I think strength training is the most valuable for men. I've really seen a lot of benefits from it.
  - iamacyborg 2y ago
    You’ll think that right up until you get out of breath climbing up some stairs.
- 7222aafdcf68cfe 2y ago
  My view is that there are three types of training one should do. Cardio, strength, and mobility. They all have different effects, neither should be forgotten.
  - busterarm 2y ago
    Replace cardio with "do 10k steps every day" and 99% of people will have their fitness goals covered. I do that and only enough cardio to get me into zone 2 during my lifting sessions.
- aynyc 2y ago
  You need both. However, given proper programming, cardio has better benefit for longevity than strength. I generally dislike article like this because they don’t tell you what their protocol is like so you can’t really know what they did. For most people, hypertrophy specific protocol is better than strength protocol. Zone 2 cardio is better than HIT. But people tend to do the opposite. They want to break personal record every session, run fastest every run.
  - amonon 2y ago
    > For most people, hypertrophy specific protocol is better than strength protocol. Zone 2 cardio is better than HIT. Source on this?
notjustanymike 2y ago
I found the FitBod app during Covid and had a similar journey. I'd previously been a runner and also did some bouldering, and found that strength training was vastly more beneficial to my overall health. Strength, combined with some cardio (rowing), creates a stable system. Like focusing on full stack, instead of only frontend.
cragsify 2y ago
I wrote an eerily similar article on my website about a year ago, covering my experiences with resistance training, just like you. https://craig.banach.dev/musings/1000-pound-club https://craig.banach.dev/musings/1000-pound-club
- dustincoates 2y ago
  Congrats on that achievement! I'm on my second go of gzclp now (took a few months off due to a nasty case of pneumonia and then life got in the way), and I'm amazed by how much progress I've made through it.
- pbronez 2y ago
  Congratulations! Big achievement, especially waiting to hit it with your 2-3 rep max instead of 1 rep max.
- carabiner 2y ago
  > I also remember the time when I invited a date to visit the Google office after I started working there. I thought it'd be a fun and interesting experience because I could show her the company's perks, but she turned me down because she had already been there on other dates. After going on six dates, I regularly heard comments like, "I also have a lot of friends who work in tech," or, "I've already heard a lot of these stories." I started feeling one-dimensional and realized I wasn't interesting — my experience wasn't unique or impressive. It's all tech bros that are like this.
cons0le 2y ago
I follow ben vallack, so I have a Treadmill at my standing desk ( with a chair for breaks )
roland35 2y ago
Strength training is great! As a runner I much prefer running to lifting, but I think lifting is probably better for me. Btw What's going on with the "st" ligatures on this page??
- coldcode 2y ago
  I gave up on exercise for 30 years before retiring as a programmer (after 40 years), and discovered all sorts of health issues last year. This year I routinely work out twice a week no matter what, and I feel great, all my health issues are under control. I was not overweight, but now I feel so much better with 13 lbs less, and actual muscle. I should have started 30 years ago instead of ignoring it. It doesn't have to be 7 days a week and hours a day to make a difference.
graup 2y ago
I also think about this regularly. I'm with the author regarding the metrics (time efficient, healthy, skill component). But still, I find strength training extremely boring and going to the gym annoying. I tried a few times but it never clicked for me – what am I missing? Does anyone have other ideas for incorporating exercise into my daily routine? I enjoy a bit of walking, cycling, and doing 5-10 minute mobility exercises, but is that enough? Maybe I could find one or two strength exercises I can do quickly without getting boring or too difficult, ideally without any gear.
- modsrm 2y ago
  If you tried without guidance, I suggest you get yourself a personal trainer to train with you for a few months.
- yapyap 2y ago
  > what am I missing going with a friend maybe?
  - blitzar 2y ago
    Best thing I ever did for exercise was hire a personal trainer. 1) I went to the gym with 0 thought about what I would be doing that day, just turn up and the trainer said "lift that 10 times" and I did. 2) I finally understood 'gym buddies' as here was I renting one. 100% this can be replicated without a trainer - but having a clear and exact excercise plan for each session and someone to talk shit with between sets makes a world of difference.
- huijzer 2y ago
  Can you go heavier? Heavy lifting is a lot of things but I wouldn’t call it boring.
  - FourierEnvy 2y ago
    Yeah I find that when people say they are strength training and find it boring, it's usually because they aren't challenging themselves with heavy weight.
skwee357 2y ago
I had an on off relationship with lifting for the last 12 years. But as I got more busy I became less active. And especially after the first lockdowns, I remember that walking was somewhat hard. And so, after burning out and quitting my job last year [0], I went to travel and focus on myself. I started to lift regularly. After eventually settling down, I now lift 4 times a week and box one time a week. I feel way better. I look great and even my wife gives me compliments. And more important, no matter how bad I feel, going to the gym and lifting always seems to improve the mood and generate new ideas. [0] https://yieldcode.blog/post/an-essay-on-burnout/ https://yieldcode.blog/post/an-essay-on-burnout/
busterarm 2y ago
For various reasons, at 40 and years of being sedentary and my health failing, I settled on a combination of DDPY(oga) and consistent strength training with the assistance of a personal trainer. I had previously trained in powerlifting a decade or so earlier, so I was a _little_ prepared, but honestly the combination of the two was absolutely lifechanging. I cannot recommend it enough.
- jq-r 2y ago
  Similar for me, early 40ties, started June with strength training and been combining this with mat/reformer pilates and cardio on a bike trainer. I can also say its been life changing. I'm not boasting or anything here, but I went from a skinny guy to a what one would call a "ripped" guy in a matter of like 2 months. I was (and still am) completely astonished how a human body can change so fast.
NalNezumi 2y ago
>When COVID hit, my main sport was bouldering. I practiced every week and really enjoyed it, although my back, shoulders and other muscles would often hurt after long bouldering sessions. >Finally: it should have not just a physical component, but also a skill component. Like many software engineers out there, I fell in love with the practice of software engineering. Bouldering had this too. It wasn't just about brute strength. There was a lot of skill in being a good climber and that keep it interesting. I chuckled a little bit, because this stereotype, depicted wonderfully in this skit [1], is the single most reliable stereotype I've been able to rely on internationally when bonding with new researcher/programmers. And I think if there's any value in "programmers perspective" it's just that. You have a certain "type" of passion you're drawn to. Some sports and exercises have that, and just as "waiting for motivation to do something boring" is harder than "doing things that motivates you / you think is cool." is often a better way to get things going [2], you should start with exercise with the perspective of following the trail that motivates you the most. You can optimize for efficiency later. [1] If American Psycho were about programmers https://youtu.be/uHt01D6rOLI?feature=shared https://youtu.be/uHt01D6rOLI?feature=shared [2] https://youtu.be/7tETYAK94GQ?feature=shared https://youtu.be/7tETYAK94GQ?feature=shared
selff 2y ago
And my (maybe a bit amusing) question is: What is strength training of computer programming?
marbm 2y ago
Does anyone have a tip on how to start? I despise gyms, and would really love a tutorial to get an operation going in my garage. Maybe also an app recommendation?
- ehnto 2y ago
  Start with bodyweight stuff, pullups, pushups, squats, you can look up bodyweight routines online. Once you get bored, if you think you like the strength aspect of it, buy a power rack with a pullup attachment, a bench, a barbell and some weight plates. No shortage of those on second hand marketplaces. With those items there is nothing you cannot train strength wise. Look up powerlifting programs and start your journey. If you think you prefer the bodybuilding/aesthetic side of things, do the same as above but also get some dumbells for isolation stuff, and again look up programs online. I will say that long term a gym is pretty good for bodybuilding, you just have more variety of machines that target specific muscles. But for strength you can honestly do your whole strength program at home with a barbell, rack and bench. If you find it all boring but still want to be fit, then sport will have longevity. Bikes, team sports, climbing, there are so many options. Callisthenics is surprisingly popular lately and builds great muscle while still being fun.
- mzhaase 2y ago
  You have two options - do bodyweight fitness (https://reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness https://reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness), this does not require equipment except a pullup bar and maybe some gymnastic rings - do a linear progression barbell training program, like starting strength https://startingstrength.com/get-started/programs https://startingstrength.com/get-started/programs this is definitely easier in the gym because you need a rack, barbell, bench and weights. But if you want to buy it yourself, just make sure you get the "real" barbells, which weigh 20 kg and have rotating "sleeves" at the end which have 50 mm diameter. This is the standard size, the thinner ones are crap.
- maxglute 2y ago
  Honestly, entry level power rack with safeties + pullup bar, bar + 300-400lbs of plates (bumeprs if you can afford it), bench, some stall mats to protect floor. Follow a basic 3x5, 5x5 for a few months and go from there. Make sure form is good, don't overthink progression. Do the beginner program until you stall which should take a few months. If you stick with it and develop a bug for getting stronger you'll be motivated to figure out next steps.
michaelteter 2y ago
There is no one way, but this way is my favorite: 2-3 visits to the gym each week Barbell squats or deadlift, and bench press per visit 5 sets of 5 reps, typically increasing weight each set such that the last set is really difficult (or you can only manage 2-3 reps) Other activities which give you cardio, heart health, endurance, and mental stamina (a busy mind goes nuts on a drawn out activity like distance running :X, and that’s a sign that the mind needs some attention too) The weight plan is if you have a proper facility. Real, free weights are ideal. But they aren’t always available, which is why I also like to practice various bodyweight exercises. Calisthenics can build a gorgeous body while making you very flexible and capable. But my preference will always be relatively big/heavy free weights. This training raises my general sense of capability and power, as well as my energy level. Plus, when the rare situation comes along where you do actually need to move heavy thing (like a bulky rack server in its box!), you just do it without risking your back or even feeling very challenged. Also, the minimalist 5x5, 2 exercise routine takes little time to complete. If you only went to the gym two days a week and did this, you would get very strong for about 1 hour of work per week. This is a big return on investment. Just make sure you try to increase your protein intake as well, because that can greatly reduce the recovery time where your muscles feel sore.
uhngureff 2y ago
> I learned along the way that strength training is one of the best ways to improve your longevity, great for weight loss, improves mental capacity, improves sleep, reduces risk of several heart diseases, etc. The one they missed is the benefits to bone strength. Having larger and larger muscles constantly trying to snap your bones in half causes them to build up as well. Absolutely life changing for the elderly.
nonninz 2y ago
One of my hangups to start strength training at the ripe age of 41, is that I'm terrified of hurting myself. Apparently to do "proper" strength training you need to focus on the free weights, or compound lifts, rather than gym machines that guide your movements. I.E. squats, deadlifts, bench presses, etc. The problem is that these are EXACTLY the type of exercises that an untrained, anterior pelvic tilted computer long-time dweller will do wrongly as they don't have the right flexibility or skills or knowledge about how to do them right. I remember how close I was to messing up my back permanently with deadlifts, and that was in my 20s. Thinking about going to the gym and starting doing them again unsupervised at my age is, to me, madness. I really wish if someone could give me some advice in this matter...
- binary132 2y ago
  Get a trainer.
  - nunez 2y ago
    THIS. You can also check out "The Barbell Prescription" by Andy Baker. This book is like Starting Strength but for the 45+ demographic. (Interestingly, Starting Strength can be used for this demographic also.) There have been documented instances of older folks reversing degenerative conditions after picking up strength training. You're also never old enough to get stronger! That said, finding a trainer that knows what they are doing is the fastest way to progress. I'm biased towards the Starting Strength community as these trainers undergo an intensive program before they are certified to be an SS coach (on top of their past intensive training), but there are many other qualified trainers out there.
    - polishdude20 2y ago
      And by Jonathan Sullivan!
      - nunez 2y ago
        Yes! Thank you!
nunez 2y ago
To me, strength training is all about making life past your 60s suck less. It's a savings account for your body; put in the work now so that you _might_ continue to be active and mobile at 80. It also helps make you look good without having to eat like a bird, which is nice also.
- twelve40 2y ago
  > vigorous weightlifting for 1 hour may burn up to 440 calories nah, you still have to eat like a bird.
  - newdee 2y ago
    You’re not considering that the more muscle mass you have, the higher your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR), which means you burn more calories passively by just existing, let alone what you burn during exertion and recovery.
    - twelve40 2y ago
      BMR changes by how much, exactly? it's useful to show some numbers, as a rule of thumb, not just throw something out there.
  - nunez 2y ago
    Sure, if you want to stall early and make no progress. You have to eat more to lift more. Doesn't mean you have to go full NFL Combine mode and eat 7000+ calories/day. But 1800 cals/day won't cut it (unless you are trying to cut weight, wherein progress will stall for a while).
xnx 2y ago
Any non-subscription favorite apps? I've been using Jefit for a long time. I like that it has easy data export, but some features are locked behind a subscription, and it doesn't do much to encourage progression
- fernandohur 2y ago
  Author here: I use https://www.hevyapp.com/ https://www.hevyapp.com/ on the free plan. It has everything you need and I really enjoy the social component. I have a few friends using the app as well, and its fun to see what others are lifting and challenge yourself to beat them.
Gud 2y ago
And for those who have difficulty starting, my advice to you is to buy two pairs of dumbbells: 1 set 4kg, 1 set 10kg. With this you can do a lot of arm and shoulder exercises at home, and some (low weight) squats. You won’t reach Olympic level fitness, but it will put you on track for a proper routine. I’m a firm believer that doing something is better than making a perfect plan and not starting.
- soitgoes511 2y ago
  Or adjustable dumbbells.. Saves space and is more versatile. Expensive though. But, weights are in general now.
canyon289 2y ago
Ive had the same experience as this author, and as a desk nerd. I highly encourage people to find what works for them https://ravinkumar.com/WhyFitness.html#WhyFitness https://ravinkumar.com/WhyFitness.html#WhyFitness
- carabiner 2y ago
  I think all of us have. In Seattle, tech bros who lift and boulder is a massive cliche.
jmyeet 2y ago
I have one thought on this that isn't mentioned in the article: autism. So I've come to learn about hypotonia. Basically a lot of children with autism has lower percentile muscle mass [1]. I'm not sure anyone really knows why. I would posit that the percentage of engineers or programmers with autism is higher than the general population. That shouldn't be a controversial statement. So I wonder if one of the benefits here of strength training or just building muscle mass in general is that it counters hypotonia. Also, I suspect that the rules, rigidity and structure around workouts and diet probably appeals to a lot of neurodivergent people. [1]: https://pxdocs.com/autism/low-muscle-tone-autism/ https://pxdocs.com/autism/low-muscle-tone-autism/
_yb2s 2y ago
Weight training has been life changing for me, as a middle aged dad with a sedentary job. I take it very seriously- I hired a professional online coach, lift 4x/week for 1-2 hours, do strength competitions several times per year, and carefully track my diet. First, it isn’t boring in the least- I do mostly strongman, and it is essentially a martial art with a lot more complexity and diversity than plain barbell training. It takes all of my mental effort to do a complex movement with the right form under a heavy load- it is more mentally taxing than math, coding, etc. for me. It takes so much focus I never get bored, and I don’t use a phone or media between sets. I usually get into almost the same sort of flow as with coding, and can really "attack" the workout with all of my mental and physical effort... which feels amazing. Secondly, it has radically transformed my health and personal life. Being physically strong is surprising useful in modern life- I can fix/move furniture, move appliances, push a stranded car out of the road, carry kids on my shoulders up a mountain, etc. easily. Also, I look strong and fit which does cause people to treat me better, and generally notice me more. I am an introverted, even shy person that when younger had a lot of trouble making friends, and especially talking to women. I generally despite 'vanity' and hate being judged on how I look, but the fact is people do, and I can't control it. Being fit, people approach me and start conversations more, and I have even had women I don’t know approach me, and ask me on dates, something that absolutely never happened before I was into lifting. I am happily married and not interested in that, but it is good for my overall social confidence and my marriage to generally be more attractive. Lastly, I also have a lot less pain- no more lower back pain, leg pain, etc. which I think were mostly caused by weak muscles from being so sedentary. The main downside is it does take a lot of time, money, and space for gym equipment- although the increased health/energy/well being are more than worth it IMO.
larsrc 2y ago
Just came here to say that I hate that st ligature. I'm a fan of ligatures in general, but I find that one harder to read.
anotherevan 2y ago
Just a note that swinging kettle bells, à la the simple and sinister book caused medial epicondylitis for me (buggered up the tendons in both my elbows). This is taking a long time to heal and limiting options on other exercises I can do that involve even a moderate grip. My recommendation would be to rent a rowing machine and try that first.

86 points by fernandohur 2y ago

I started weight lifting 3 times a week and HIIT (shadow boxing and sometimes stationary bike) 2 times per week, total of 5 days a week. I'm way stronger and healthier after 1 year, many pains are gone, but I did injure myself many times (minors). My major struggle is the weight. I don't look in bad shape, but even eating very healthy, I just eat too much. I'm always hungry. I wish I could fix that, because I do have strength and I'm active now. Yet, my stomach still looks too big for the amount of activity I'm doing. I also walk 40 minutes per day very fast (bring kids to school and back) so the problem must be how much I eat, not the physical activity. Fought with that my whole life. The only time I mananged it I was 16 doing waterpolo 4 times a week, so I burned a lot of calories between growth and sport.

BossingAround 2y ago

Why do we need a "programmer's perspective"? Exercise has nothing to do with programming or engineering specifically. Exercise (ideally, some form of exercise that strengthens muscles that atrophy while sitting) should be a thing for everyone who sits behind for 40+ hours a week.

loloquwowndueo 2y ago
you’re more likely to click through if it applies to you “I usually don’t care about strength training but I am a programmer so this interests me! Let’s click through”
blitzar 2y ago
Because programmer's are special.
begueradj 2y ago
A cleaner walking 5 hours a day, and a programmer sitting 8 hours a day: that's 2 different perspectives to exercising. Actually all forms of sports are always a personal perspective. Why ? Because we are all unique biologically and psychologically. Your own perspective to sports changes over age and other factors (sickness, weight, private life ...etc). That's why you won't run 15 km tomorrow the way you did today.
- blitzar 2y ago
  99% of workers who sit at a desk for 8 (or more) hours a day are not programmers.
  - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
    most people who sit at the desk don't have hours at a time sitting all tensed up and in a bad position because stuff is not going well and they get hyperfocused on running the code again and again, not that that happens often - but sometimes.
    - blitzar 2y ago
      Its worse, they have to sit there using the half arsed buggy software that some programmer shat out in order to get promoted to L5 in the 2021 summer of CV driven development and hasn't been updated or fixed since.
      - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        I've used half-assed buggy software before, I've worked for the government and cases had to be logged, also I've worked as a data entry worker - and of course I live in Denmark, one of the most digitized countries in the world, where the government gets away with making you use the solutions they had developed with awful UX that - really, one time I got fined 5000 dollars and had a company closed down because I thought what a program was telling me was an obvious bug - but it wasn't - when I complained to the workers and the ministry that required this solution be used they said "Oh yeah, everyone has that problem" In short I have used just as buggy crappy software as anyone, and I'm a programmer who has been hyperfocused for a day in all sorts of uncomfortable positions, for bonus points I have also worked intense physical labor in jobs where people died, just in case someone was going to play the manual labor card. I have as yet encountered nothing worse than programming when it is going very badly. When it's going easy it's a piece of cake of course.
  - akhileshwar09 2y ago
vouaobrasil 2y ago
Well, it might be useful because programmers are likely to spend even more time in front of a screen than the average person, and thus examples from other programmers might encourage them to exercise more. Other who sit for work find computers a necessary evil and prefer to do other things instead of working with them.
- akhileshwar09 2y ago
  well we people just do all kind of stuff and that stuff never ends.. we feel like just few minutes but the reality is the time keep ticking and our eyes just stick to screens... and at that moment we dont even think about the health and body .
jchw 2y ago
You're overthinking it. It's a "programmer's perspective" because the author is a programmer. There isn't anything more to it, and as far as I can tell there's no insinuation that it is particularly special.
meiraleal 2y ago
You might disagree, but the most important skill of a programmer is problem-solving skills/mindset and a rational approach. A programmer's perspective of many things will be different than the average person perspective that doesn't use those skills to make decisions. He even wrote about that if you had the time to read the article before commenting: As a software engineer I though, If I should "pick boring tech", maybe I should also "pick boring sports". So I decided to pick something boring. Something old, 1000s of years old. My rationale being that for older sports there would be more easily available knowledge, failure modes would be better known, and I would be able to better understand if I was doing it wrong.
- iamacyborg 2y ago
  Programmers are no more capable of magical thinking than the average person.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    No but what you call magical thinking we call logic.
    - iamacyborg 2y ago
      This may surprise you but the ability to think logically is not solely reserved to folks who are programmers.
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        While this is true, your replies prove that some people ignore logic for some odd reasons.
nunez 2y ago
Because there's a science to strength training that us nerdy devs can appreciate. It's not as scientific as woodworking, but its there.

Sakos 2y ago

While I've had many physical hobbies, weight lifting has been the one that has been most beneficial to my health and my overall level of fitness. That said, don't skimp on cardio. If any bro tries to tell you that it'll impact your gains, ignore them.

blitzar 2y ago
The fitness fashion of the 90's was reasonably pro cardio, while the 2010's went the opposite direction. As I hit middle age, I am starting to notice the consequences and think it is time to hit something as simple as a bike / cross trainer to get some high heart rate work in regularly.
jf22 2y ago
Cardio will impact your gains but that shouldn't matter to you unless you're trying to maximize muscle growth.
- Sakos 2y ago
  Exactly my point, yeah. The significance of the impact is also debatable and not nearly as much as one might think, especially if you do proper programming. I don't lift weights to compete, I lift to be healthy, strong and generally fit. That means maximizing different aspects of my physical fitness overall, even if that means a particular aspect might be weaker than if I only focused on that exclusively.
pfhorge 2y ago
This is called the "interference effect", and it seems like it's increasingly thought to be mostly a non-issue: https://www.strongerbyscience.com/research-spotlight-interference-effect/ https://www.strongerbyscience.com/research-spotlight-interfe...

louthy 2y ago

I started strength training a few months back (using The Pump app [1]), still a relative noob, but it's the first time I've been able to stick to any exercise programme (usually my ADHD brain loses interest and goes off to something else, like sitting on the sofa). Even though in the early days you don't notice much physical difference (other than the steady increase in weight you're able to lift), I've just watched all my stats in my fitness tracker going in a positive direction constantly (including sleep). Which is great early feedback. It's had a real positive mental impact too. I'm a pretty optimistic person in general, but now my 'inner voice' has additionally been saying "I feel great" to myself all the time. Just like a permanent high. Obviously, you'd probably get this from any exercise, but I never felt I was moving the needle with other regimes and would tend to early out, so it's been quite an eye opener. [1] https://arnoldspumpclub.com/pages/the-pump https://arnoldspumpclub.com/pages/the-pump

uhngureff 2y ago
> Even though in the early days you don't notice much physical difference People who do weight training always leave out the fact that you feel sore after a lift. Even the next day. This can feel like pain to the unaware and can be scary or off putting enough to become a deterrent to keep at it. It can leave you feeling weak, but often the soreness is surface level and in fact you are still stronger even with the soreness and fatigue. > (other than the steady increase in weight you're able to lift) “Steady” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Maybe you could argue that in the beginning, but adding more and more weight is more logarithmic than linear; otherwise, everyone in the gym would be benching 3 tons. I recommend ramping up weight after you can do a full 3 sets of 10 reps at your current weight. Introducing the new weight to the first set, then dropping the weight for the next two. Once comfortable with that try the new weight for 2 sets and then finally 3; then repeat.
- nottorp 2y ago
  > People who do weight training always leave out the fact that you feel sore after a lift. Even the next day. It's absolutely normal to feel sore after any kind of exercise? If you don't you're in top shape for it, congratulations. But it ain't going to happen when progressing.

akhileshwar09 2y ago

strength training is very essential part of life. it makes your mind think more effectively. as a computer programmer i'd love to do pushups like around 50( that means 20 per set). to make my physique strong and muscular..this is ultimately effects your health.. so a healthy body have an healthy mind.

llm_trw 2y ago
If you're doing strength training you'll be doing no more than 1 to 6 reps of whatever exercise in sets of 1 to 3. Large numbers of reps are for looking good, not actually being strong. This leads to the rather fun paradox that body builders are quite weak for how much effort they spend on training, while someone looking like a fat mechanic will be much strong than you'd expect.
- akhileshwar09 2y ago
  large number of reps are for looking good ,, okay ill say yes!! but i never do exercise for good looking i dont concentrate on looks rather i just watch my stamina that how long i push.... btw i dont go to gym,, so i like home workout like pushups just i said before. that fat mechanic stronger but eventually get diseased when he/she crosses 30 or 40
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    Looks like and is are two rather different things. You should probably talk to someone who knows what they are doing. Chances are you're doing damage to your body.
    - akoboldfrying 2y ago
      Yeah, doing 50 push-ups sounds pretty dangerous. As you point out, 50 is a lot more than 6. They should definitely get multiple expert opinions before continuing on this dangerous path a moment longer.
- Sakos 2y ago

orbisvicis 2y ago

Anyone have any opinions on strength vs cardio + resistance (i.e. bands)?

Synaesthesia 2y ago
I think strength training is the most valuable for men. I've really seen a lot of benefits from it.
- iamacyborg 2y ago
  You’ll think that right up until you get out of breath climbing up some stairs.
7222aafdcf68cfe 2y ago
My view is that there are three types of training one should do. Cardio, strength, and mobility. They all have different effects, neither should be forgotten.
- busterarm 2y ago
  Replace cardio with "do 10k steps every day" and 99% of people will have their fitness goals covered. I do that and only enough cardio to get me into zone 2 during my lifting sessions.
aynyc 2y ago
You need both. However, given proper programming, cardio has better benefit for longevity than strength. I generally dislike article like this because they don’t tell you what their protocol is like so you can’t really know what they did. For most people, hypertrophy specific protocol is better than strength protocol. Zone 2 cardio is better than HIT. But people tend to do the opposite. They want to break personal record every session, run fastest every run.
- amonon 2y ago
  > For most people, hypertrophy specific protocol is better than strength protocol. Zone 2 cardio is better than HIT. Source on this?

notjustanymike 2y ago

I found the FitBod app during Covid and had a similar journey. I'd previously been a runner and also did some bouldering, and found that strength training was vastly more beneficial to my overall health. Strength, combined with some cardio (rowing), creates a stable system. Like focusing on full stack, instead of only frontend.

cragsify 2y ago

I wrote an eerily similar article on my website about a year ago, covering my experiences with resistance training, just like you. https://craig.banach.dev/musings/1000-pound-club https://craig.banach.dev/musings/1000-pound-club

dustincoates 2y ago
Congrats on that achievement! I'm on my second go of gzclp now (took a few months off due to a nasty case of pneumonia and then life got in the way), and I'm amazed by how much progress I've made through it.
pbronez 2y ago
Congratulations! Big achievement, especially waiting to hit it with your 2-3 rep max instead of 1 rep max.
carabiner 2y ago
> I also remember the time when I invited a date to visit the Google office after I started working there. I thought it'd be a fun and interesting experience because I could show her the company's perks, but she turned me down because she had already been there on other dates. After going on six dates, I regularly heard comments like, "I also have a lot of friends who work in tech," or, "I've already heard a lot of these stories." I started feeling one-dimensional and realized I wasn't interesting — my experience wasn't unique or impressive. It's all tech bros that are like this.

cons0le 2y ago

I follow ben vallack, so I have a Treadmill at my standing desk ( with a chair for breaks )

roland35 2y ago

Strength training is great! As a runner I much prefer running to lifting, but I think lifting is probably better for me. Btw What's going on with the "st" ligatures on this page??

coldcode 2y ago
I gave up on exercise for 30 years before retiring as a programmer (after 40 years), and discovered all sorts of health issues last year. This year I routinely work out twice a week no matter what, and I feel great, all my health issues are under control. I was not overweight, but now I feel so much better with 13 lbs less, and actual muscle. I should have started 30 years ago instead of ignoring it. It doesn't have to be 7 days a week and hours a day to make a difference.

graup 2y ago

I also think about this regularly. I'm with the author regarding the metrics (time efficient, healthy, skill component). But still, I find strength training extremely boring and going to the gym annoying. I tried a few times but it never clicked for me – what am I missing? Does anyone have other ideas for incorporating exercise into my daily routine? I enjoy a bit of walking, cycling, and doing 5-10 minute mobility exercises, but is that enough? Maybe I could find one or two strength exercises I can do quickly without getting boring or too difficult, ideally without any gear.

modsrm 2y ago
If you tried without guidance, I suggest you get yourself a personal trainer to train with you for a few months.
yapyap 2y ago
> what am I missing going with a friend maybe?
- blitzar 2y ago
  Best thing I ever did for exercise was hire a personal trainer. 1) I went to the gym with 0 thought about what I would be doing that day, just turn up and the trainer said "lift that 10 times" and I did. 2) I finally understood 'gym buddies' as here was I renting one. 100% this can be replicated without a trainer - but having a clear and exact excercise plan for each session and someone to talk shit with between sets makes a world of difference.
huijzer 2y ago
Can you go heavier? Heavy lifting is a lot of things but I wouldn’t call it boring.
- FourierEnvy 2y ago
  Yeah I find that when people say they are strength training and find it boring, it's usually because they aren't challenging themselves with heavy weight.

skwee357 2y ago

I had an on off relationship with lifting for the last 12 years. But as I got more busy I became less active. And especially after the first lockdowns, I remember that walking was somewhat hard. And so, after burning out and quitting my job last year [0], I went to travel and focus on myself. I started to lift regularly. After eventually settling down, I now lift 4 times a week and box one time a week. I feel way better. I look great and even my wife gives me compliments. And more important, no matter how bad I feel, going to the gym and lifting always seems to improve the mood and generate new ideas. [0] https://yieldcode.blog/post/an-essay-on-burnout/ https://yieldcode.blog/post/an-essay-on-burnout/

busterarm 2y ago

For various reasons, at 40 and years of being sedentary and my health failing, I settled on a combination of DDPY(oga) and consistent strength training with the assistance of a personal trainer. I had previously trained in powerlifting a decade or so earlier, so I was a _little_ prepared, but honestly the combination of the two was absolutely lifechanging. I cannot recommend it enough.

jq-r 2y ago
Similar for me, early 40ties, started June with strength training and been combining this with mat/reformer pilates and cardio on a bike trainer. I can also say its been life changing. I'm not boasting or anything here, but I went from a skinny guy to a what one would call a "ripped" guy in a matter of like 2 months. I was (and still am) completely astonished how a human body can change so fast.

NalNezumi 2y ago

>When COVID hit, my main sport was bouldering. I practiced every week and really enjoyed it, although my back, shoulders and other muscles would often hurt after long bouldering sessions. >Finally: it should have not just a physical component, but also a skill component. Like many software engineers out there, I fell in love with the practice of software engineering. Bouldering had this too. It wasn't just about brute strength. There was a lot of skill in being a good climber and that keep it interesting. I chuckled a little bit, because this stereotype, depicted wonderfully in this skit [1], is the single most reliable stereotype I've been able to rely on internationally when bonding with new researcher/programmers. And I think if there's any value in "programmers perspective" it's just that. You have a certain "type" of passion you're drawn to. Some sports and exercises have that, and just as "waiting for motivation to do something boring" is harder than "doing things that motivates you / you think is cool." is often a better way to get things going [2], you should start with exercise with the perspective of following the trail that motivates you the most. You can optimize for efficiency later. [1] If American Psycho were about programmers https://youtu.be/uHt01D6rOLI?feature=shared https://youtu.be/uHt01D6rOLI?feature=shared [2] https://youtu.be/7tETYAK94GQ?feature=shared https://youtu.be/7tETYAK94GQ?feature=shared

selff 2y ago

And my (maybe a bit amusing) question is: What is strength training of computer programming?

marbm 2y ago

Does anyone have a tip on how to start? I despise gyms, and would really love a tutorial to get an operation going in my garage. Maybe also an app recommendation?

ehnto 2y ago
Start with bodyweight stuff, pullups, pushups, squats, you can look up bodyweight routines online. Once you get bored, if you think you like the strength aspect of it, buy a power rack with a pullup attachment, a bench, a barbell and some weight plates. No shortage of those on second hand marketplaces. With those items there is nothing you cannot train strength wise. Look up powerlifting programs and start your journey. If you think you prefer the bodybuilding/aesthetic side of things, do the same as above but also get some dumbells for isolation stuff, and again look up programs online. I will say that long term a gym is pretty good for bodybuilding, you just have more variety of machines that target specific muscles. But for strength you can honestly do your whole strength program at home with a barbell, rack and bench. If you find it all boring but still want to be fit, then sport will have longevity. Bikes, team sports, climbing, there are so many options. Callisthenics is surprisingly popular lately and builds great muscle while still being fun.
mzhaase 2y ago
You have two options - do bodyweight fitness (https://reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness https://reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness), this does not require equipment except a pullup bar and maybe some gymnastic rings - do a linear progression barbell training program, like starting strength https://startingstrength.com/get-started/programs https://startingstrength.com/get-started/programs this is definitely easier in the gym because you need a rack, barbell, bench and weights. But if you want to buy it yourself, just make sure you get the "real" barbells, which weigh 20 kg and have rotating "sleeves" at the end which have 50 mm diameter. This is the standard size, the thinner ones are crap.
maxglute 2y ago
Honestly, entry level power rack with safeties + pullup bar, bar + 300-400lbs of plates (bumeprs if you can afford it), bench, some stall mats to protect floor. Follow a basic 3x5, 5x5 for a few months and go from there. Make sure form is good, don't overthink progression. Do the beginner program until you stall which should take a few months. If you stick with it and develop a bug for getting stronger you'll be motivated to figure out next steps.

michaelteter 2y ago

There is no one way, but this way is my favorite: 2-3 visits to the gym each week Barbell squats or deadlift, and bench press per visit 5 sets of 5 reps, typically increasing weight each set such that the last set is really difficult (or you can only manage 2-3 reps) Other activities which give you cardio, heart health, endurance, and mental stamina (a busy mind goes nuts on a drawn out activity like distance running :X, and that’s a sign that the mind needs some attention too) The weight plan is if you have a proper facility. Real, free weights are ideal. But they aren’t always available, which is why I also like to practice various bodyweight exercises. Calisthenics can build a gorgeous body while making you very flexible and capable. But my preference will always be relatively big/heavy free weights. This training raises my general sense of capability and power, as well as my energy level. Plus, when the rare situation comes along where you do actually need to move heavy thing (like a bulky rack server in its box!), you just do it without risking your back or even feeling very challenged. Also, the minimalist 5x5, 2 exercise routine takes little time to complete. If you only went to the gym two days a week and did this, you would get very strong for about 1 hour of work per week. This is a big return on investment. Just make sure you try to increase your protein intake as well, because that can greatly reduce the recovery time where your muscles feel sore.

uhngureff 2y ago

> I learned along the way that strength training is one of the best ways to improve your longevity, great for weight loss, improves mental capacity, improves sleep, reduces risk of several heart diseases, etc. The one they missed is the benefits to bone strength. Having larger and larger muscles constantly trying to snap your bones in half causes them to build up as well. Absolutely life changing for the elderly.

nonninz 2y ago

One of my hangups to start strength training at the ripe age of 41, is that I'm terrified of hurting myself. Apparently to do "proper" strength training you need to focus on the free weights, or compound lifts, rather than gym machines that guide your movements. I.E. squats, deadlifts, bench presses, etc. The problem is that these are EXACTLY the type of exercises that an untrained, anterior pelvic tilted computer long-time dweller will do wrongly as they don't have the right flexibility or skills or knowledge about how to do them right. I remember how close I was to messing up my back permanently with deadlifts, and that was in my 20s. Thinking about going to the gym and starting doing them again unsupervised at my age is, to me, madness. I really wish if someone could give me some advice in this matter...

binary132 2y ago
Get a trainer.
- nunez 2y ago
  THIS. You can also check out "The Barbell Prescription" by Andy Baker. This book is like Starting Strength but for the 45+ demographic. (Interestingly, Starting Strength can be used for this demographic also.) There have been documented instances of older folks reversing degenerative conditions after picking up strength training. You're also never old enough to get stronger! That said, finding a trainer that knows what they are doing is the fastest way to progress. I'm biased towards the Starting Strength community as these trainers undergo an intensive program before they are certified to be an SS coach (on top of their past intensive training), but there are many other qualified trainers out there.
  - polishdude20 2y ago
    And by Jonathan Sullivan!
    - nunez 2y ago
      Yes! Thank you!

nunez 2y ago

To me, strength training is all about making life past your 60s suck less. It's a savings account for your body; put in the work now so that you _might_ continue to be active and mobile at 80. It also helps make you look good without having to eat like a bird, which is nice also.

twelve40 2y ago
> vigorous weightlifting for 1 hour may burn up to 440 calories nah, you still have to eat like a bird.
- newdee 2y ago
  You’re not considering that the more muscle mass you have, the higher your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR), which means you burn more calories passively by just existing, let alone what you burn during exertion and recovery.
  - twelve40 2y ago
    BMR changes by how much, exactly? it's useful to show some numbers, as a rule of thumb, not just throw something out there.
- nunez 2y ago
  Sure, if you want to stall early and make no progress. You have to eat more to lift more. Doesn't mean you have to go full NFL Combine mode and eat 7000+ calories/day. But 1800 cals/day won't cut it (unless you are trying to cut weight, wherein progress will stall for a while).

xnx 2y ago

Any non-subscription favorite apps? I've been using Jefit for a long time. I like that it has easy data export, but some features are locked behind a subscription, and it doesn't do much to encourage progression

fernandohur 2y ago
Author here: I use https://www.hevyapp.com/ https://www.hevyapp.com/ on the free plan. It has everything you need and I really enjoy the social component. I have a few friends using the app as well, and its fun to see what others are lifting and challenge yourself to beat them.

Gud 2y ago

And for those who have difficulty starting, my advice to you is to buy two pairs of dumbbells: 1 set 4kg, 1 set 10kg. With this you can do a lot of arm and shoulder exercises at home, and some (low weight) squats. You won’t reach Olympic level fitness, but it will put you on track for a proper routine. I’m a firm believer that doing something is better than making a perfect plan and not starting.

soitgoes511 2y ago
Or adjustable dumbbells.. Saves space and is more versatile. Expensive though. But, weights are in general now.

canyon289 2y ago

Ive had the same experience as this author, and as a desk nerd. I highly encourage people to find what works for them https://ravinkumar.com/WhyFitness.html#WhyFitness https://ravinkumar.com/WhyFitness.html#WhyFitness

carabiner 2y ago
I think all of us have. In Seattle, tech bros who lift and boulder is a massive cliche.

jmyeet 2y ago

I have one thought on this that isn't mentioned in the article: autism. So I've come to learn about hypotonia. Basically a lot of children with autism has lower percentile muscle mass [1]. I'm not sure anyone really knows why. I would posit that the percentage of engineers or programmers with autism is higher than the general population. That shouldn't be a controversial statement. So I wonder if one of the benefits here of strength training or just building muscle mass in general is that it counters hypotonia. Also, I suspect that the rules, rigidity and structure around workouts and diet probably appeals to a lot of neurodivergent people. [1]: https://pxdocs.com/autism/low-muscle-tone-autism/ https://pxdocs.com/autism/low-muscle-tone-autism/

_yb2s 2y ago

Weight training has been life changing for me, as a middle aged dad with a sedentary job. I take it very seriously- I hired a professional online coach, lift 4x/week for 1-2 hours, do strength competitions several times per year, and carefully track my diet. First, it isn’t boring in the least- I do mostly strongman, and it is essentially a martial art with a lot more complexity and diversity than plain barbell training. It takes all of my mental effort to do a complex movement with the right form under a heavy load- it is more mentally taxing than math, coding, etc. for me. It takes so much focus I never get bored, and I don’t use a phone or media between sets. I usually get into almost the same sort of flow as with coding, and can really "attack" the workout with all of my mental and physical effort... which feels amazing. Secondly, it has radically transformed my health and personal life. Being physically strong is surprising useful in modern life- I can fix/move furniture, move appliances, push a stranded car out of the road, carry kids on my shoulders up a mountain, etc. easily. Also, I look strong and fit which does cause people to treat me better, and generally notice me more. I am an introverted, even shy person that when younger had a lot of trouble making friends, and especially talking to women. I generally despite 'vanity' and hate being judged on how I look, but the fact is people do, and I can't control it. Being fit, people approach me and start conversations more, and I have even had women I don’t know approach me, and ask me on dates, something that absolutely never happened before I was into lifting. I am happily married and not interested in that, but it is good for my overall social confidence and my marriage to generally be more attractive. Lastly, I also have a lot less pain- no more lower back pain, leg pain, etc. which I think were mostly caused by weak muscles from being so sedentary. The main downside is it does take a lot of time, money, and space for gym equipment- although the increased health/energy/well being are more than worth it IMO.

larsrc 2y ago

Just came here to say that I hate that st ligature. I'm a fan of ligatures in general, but I find that one harder to read.

anotherevan 2y ago

Just a note that swinging kettle bells, à la the simple and sinister book caused medial epicondylitis for me (buggered up the tendons in both my elbows). This is taking a long time to heal and limiting options on other exercises I can do that involve even a moderate grip. My recommendation would be to rent a rowing machine and try that first.