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It's done with slave labor. It's called pig butchering. You kidnap people, hold them in Cambodia or whatever (lots of locations where local criminal gangs rule

It's done with slave labor. It's called pig butchering. You kidnap people, hold them in Cambodia or whatever (lots of locations where local criminal gangs rule) so the locals don't bother checking for literally kidnapped slaves. If police stop by, pay them off and make up a story about debts and punishment. Then you use the slaves to scam others in pig butchering scams. If the slaves refuse, you beat them until they comply. https://www.propublica.org/article/pig-butchering-scams-raided-cambodia-apple-trafficking https://www.propublica.org/article/pig-butchering-scams-raid...

solardev 2y ago
Thanks! That's a much better link and explanation than what I linked to.
Double_a_92 2y ago
Btw this is also used as a sob-story tactic by the scammers if you eventually call them out after some time.
- willcipriano 2y ago
  Yeah a lot of it happens in office buildings in places like Nigeria. People wearing business casual clothes and everything. At first glance it just looks like a normal company.
dotancohen 2y ago
So reply asking if they want you to notify authorities in their city. I doubt that the kidnappers are reading every message. And even if they are, better to let the kidnappers know that they are being encroached upon.
- otterley 2y ago
  These outfits are often working under the protection of the local authorities thanks to rampant bribery.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    That's why the initiative has to come from outside.
    - nullstyle 2y ago
      It sounds like you’ve developed a very special set of skills, Mr. Neeson. This situation is a little more complicated than to be solved by a back and forth on the hacker news comment section.
    - FredPret 2y ago
      Local authorities are involved. Sounds like the only outside initiative that will help is Seal Team 6.
      - janalsncm 2y ago
        According to Wikipedia it seems like China arrested a few of them. It’s a fairly big concern for them since Chinese citizens are often the victims of these foreign “business opportunities”. They will warn you if you’re going to those areas.
  - Scoundreller 2y ago
    > These outfits are often working under the protection of the local authorities thanks to rampant bribery. I don’t think I’ll ever visit Cambodia and I can call Cambodia for a few cents a minute as well as their embassies. Their local authorities can’t block us all!
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > I doubt that the kidnappers are reading every message. The guy working one computer over elbow-to-elbow is gonna narc you out for better treatment, though.
janalsncm 2y ago
Just to clarify the terminology, pig butchering refers to the scam to steal money from fake romantic partners. The SE Asian kidnapping/slavery shops that run pig butchering scams are referred to as fraud factories.

solardev 2y ago

Thanks! That's a much better link and explanation than what I linked to.

Double_a_92 2y ago

Btw this is also used as a sob-story tactic by the scammers if you eventually call them out after some time.

willcipriano 2y ago
Yeah a lot of it happens in office buildings in places like Nigeria. People wearing business casual clothes and everything. At first glance it just looks like a normal company.

dotancohen 2y ago

So reply asking if they want you to notify authorities in their city. I doubt that the kidnappers are reading every message. And even if they are, better to let the kidnappers know that they are being encroached upon.

otterley 2y ago
These outfits are often working under the protection of the local authorities thanks to rampant bribery.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  That's why the initiative has to come from outside.
  - nullstyle 2y ago
    It sounds like you’ve developed a very special set of skills, Mr. Neeson. This situation is a little more complicated than to be solved by a back and forth on the hacker news comment section.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    Local authorities are involved. Sounds like the only outside initiative that will help is Seal Team 6.
    - janalsncm 2y ago
      According to Wikipedia it seems like China arrested a few of them. It’s a fairly big concern for them since Chinese citizens are often the victims of these foreign “business opportunities”. They will warn you if you’re going to those areas.
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  > These outfits are often working under the protection of the local authorities thanks to rampant bribery. I don’t think I’ll ever visit Cambodia and I can call Cambodia for a few cents a minute as well as their embassies. Their local authorities can’t block us all!
ceejayoz 2y ago
> I doubt that the kidnappers are reading every message. The guy working one computer over elbow-to-elbow is gonna narc you out for better treatment, though.

janalsncm 2y ago

Just to clarify the terminology, pig butchering refers to the scam to steal money from fake romantic partners. The SE Asian kidnapping/slavery shops that run pig butchering scams are referred to as fraud factories.