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Permission now required to take subreddits private

57 points by focusedone 2y ago

dmonitor 2y ago
Good. Going private is a ridiculous nuke button for mods to have at their fingertips. Years of history becomes lost once a subreddit goes private. It's not even useful as a protest, since the admins will just undo it the moment your protest gains traction. Hopefully, next they change the "unmoderated subreddit" punishment from going private to restricted submissions and locking comments.
- Ukv 2y ago
  I feel Reddit blocking search engines that don't pay and killing off archives and third party clients is a far more worrying long-term threat to information accessibility than the moderator blackouts that were protesting the former (unless there's more recent context I'm missing due to having moved off reddit).
- dehugger 2y ago
  It was one of the only tools that heavily-raided subs had to deal with raids of hate-speech/illegal content. Basically every LGBTQ+ subreddit, for example.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Outside of protests, there are plenty of legitmate reasons to go private. The biggest reason being extreme brigades (including content against site rules that can get the sub banned), and a lack of resources to moderate in real time. That's partially why for years mods have relied so much more on "locking" posts. Which IMO is even worse and punishes all participants over what is often a few threads that should be locked individually. If mods responded half as fast to that as they do when privating big subreddits, I'd have less sympathy for this change. >Hopefully, next they change the "unmoderated subreddit" punishment from going private to restricted submissions and locking comments. stuff like potential illegal content is exactly why going private/removing the sub is the punishment instead of restricting submission.
- soyeahok 2y ago
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m463 2y ago
Curious what people have left reddit use now?
- OgsyedIE 2y ago
  You could skim r/redditalternatives and see what site gets regularly repeated.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    ironic, isn't it? But lately a lot of that sub shifted towards a lighterform of r/watchredditdie or r/subredditdrama. Also a bit funny that I searched by /top/year and the 2nd post was "Can we just admit already that there isn't a good reddit alternative?"
- deleted 2y ago
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- dvngnt_ 2y ago
  https://old.lemmy.world/ https://old.lemmy.world/ works
  - nosioptar 2y ago
    I didn't know about the old subdomain. That's so much better than the standard lemmy ui.
    - dvngnt_ 2y ago
      it's a 3rd party extension https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym that some instances have enabled. i do wish this was integrated into lemmy though
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
  A combination of Lemmy, Bluesky, and most importantly, being generally less online than before. I'll no longer rely on a site enough to be seriously bothered if I need to leave because it turns as hostile as Twitter and Reddit did last year.
ZunarJ5 2y ago
I predict old reddit is going to go away soon.
- TylerLives 2y ago
  I predict reddit is going to go away soon.
  - add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
    Why? Not only have the masses remained since last year, they showed how docile they are and how much further mistreatment they'll tolerate.
    - nicbou 2y ago
      I have mostly left. You can tell that the website is not at all the same since the protests. There are measurably fewer contributors and the quality of the content and discussions suffered. The bots have taken over. The front page is unbearable. Perhaps it still scratches an itch when you have a few minutes to kill, but it only survives because nothing else really replaces it. This can’t go on forever.
- azemetre 2y ago
  I hope so. Old Reddit is how my internet addiction thrives, if it goes away I might be rid of this electronic demon for good.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Still, old-vs-standard is a fascinating example of how someone can pour millions into a new interface which is--accidentally or possibly deliberately--shit. Especially when you're arriving through a search engine and the discussion you wanted to find is is buried somewhere in a thousand "load more comments" prompts that occasionally all reset because of an unexpected page transition. P.S.: Actually, doesn't that tie back into the Reddit spokesperson's "communities should honor the expectations they set"? If I search for a particular term and some Reddit comments come up, I expect to actually see that term when I click through, rather than have the corporation pull some bait and switch with the content.
Always42 2y ago
I have realized, since chatGPT became a thing I think I use reddit even less now. Before I would append it to searches. I still do, but GPT is close to enough for me.
pavel_lishin 2y ago
For what it's worth, we've stopped moderating our subreddit for the month of October. Reddit fundamentally cannot figure out the role of moderators - we're either robber barons, or we're useless, or we're actively out to sabotage the company. What we certainly are is unpaid volunteers, so we're kind of done. The reporting feature will allow users to remove posts and comments that blatantly break the rules; let someone else volunteer for awhile.

57 points by focusedone 2y ago

Good. Going private is a ridiculous nuke button for mods to have at their fingertips. Years of history becomes lost once a subreddit goes private. It's not even useful as a protest, since the admins will just undo it the moment your protest gains traction. Hopefully, next they change the "unmoderated subreddit" punishment from going private to restricted submissions and locking comments.

Ukv 2y ago
I feel Reddit blocking search engines that don't pay and killing off archives and third party clients is a far more worrying long-term threat to information accessibility than the moderator blackouts that were protesting the former (unless there's more recent context I'm missing due to having moved off reddit).
dehugger 2y ago
It was one of the only tools that heavily-raided subs had to deal with raids of hate-speech/illegal content. Basically every LGBTQ+ subreddit, for example.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
Outside of protests, there are plenty of legitmate reasons to go private. The biggest reason being extreme brigades (including content against site rules that can get the sub banned), and a lack of resources to moderate in real time. That's partially why for years mods have relied so much more on "locking" posts. Which IMO is even worse and punishes all participants over what is often a few threads that should be locked individually. If mods responded half as fast to that as they do when privating big subreddits, I'd have less sympathy for this change. >Hopefully, next they change the "unmoderated subreddit" punishment from going private to restricted submissions and locking comments. stuff like potential illegal content is exactly why going private/removing the sub is the punishment instead of restricting submission.
soyeahok 2y ago
[dead]

m463 2y ago

Curious what people have left reddit use now?

OgsyedIE 2y ago
You could skim r/redditalternatives and see what site gets regularly repeated.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  ironic, isn't it? But lately a lot of that sub shifted towards a lighterform of r/watchredditdie or r/subredditdrama. Also a bit funny that I searched by /top/year and the 2nd post was "Can we just admit already that there isn't a good reddit alternative?"
deleted 2y ago
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dvngnt_ 2y ago
https://old.lemmy.world/ https://old.lemmy.world/ works
- nosioptar 2y ago
  I didn't know about the old subdomain. That's so much better than the standard lemmy ui.
  - dvngnt_ 2y ago
    it's a 3rd party extension https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym that some instances have enabled. i do wish this was integrated into lemmy though
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
A combination of Lemmy, Bluesky, and most importantly, being generally less online than before. I'll no longer rely on a site enough to be seriously bothered if I need to leave because it turns as hostile as Twitter and Reddit did last year.

ZunarJ5 2y ago

I predict old reddit is going to go away soon.

TylerLives 2y ago
I predict reddit is going to go away soon.
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
  Why? Not only have the masses remained since last year, they showed how docile they are and how much further mistreatment they'll tolerate.
  - nicbou 2y ago
    I have mostly left. You can tell that the website is not at all the same since the protests. There are measurably fewer contributors and the quality of the content and discussions suffered. The bots have taken over. The front page is unbearable. Perhaps it still scratches an itch when you have a few minutes to kill, but it only survives because nothing else really replaces it. This can’t go on forever.
azemetre 2y ago
I hope so. Old Reddit is how my internet addiction thrives, if it goes away I might be rid of this electronic demon for good.
Terr_ 2y ago
Still, old-vs-standard is a fascinating example of how someone can pour millions into a new interface which is--accidentally or possibly deliberately--shit. Especially when you're arriving through a search engine and the discussion you wanted to find is is buried somewhere in a thousand "load more comments" prompts that occasionally all reset because of an unexpected page transition. P.S.: Actually, doesn't that tie back into the Reddit spokesperson's "communities should honor the expectations they set"? If I search for a particular term and some Reddit comments come up, I expect to actually see that term when I click through, rather than have the corporation pull some bait and switch with the content.

Always42 2y ago

I have realized, since chatGPT became a thing I think I use reddit even less now. Before I would append it to searches. I still do, but GPT is close to enough for me.

pavel_lishin 2y ago

For what it's worth, we've stopped moderating our subreddit for the month of October. Reddit fundamentally cannot figure out the role of moderators - we're either robber barons, or we're useless, or we're actively out to sabotage the company. What we certainly are is unpaid volunteers, so we're kind of done. The reporting feature will allow users to remove posts and comments that blatantly break the rules; let someone else volunteer for awhile.