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This guy is a menace. Among his other recent bills are ones to require cars not be able to go more than 10mph over the speed limit (watered down to just making

This guy is a menace. Among his other recent bills are ones to require cars not be able to go more than 10mph over the speed limit (watered down to just making a terrible noise when they do) and to decriminalize intentionally giving someone AIDs. I know this sounds like hyperbole.. how could this guy keep getting elected?? But its not, it's california!

baggy_trough 2y ago
Scott Wiener is literally a demon in human form.
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zzrzzr 2y ago
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- microbug 2y ago
  who could've predicted this?
  - jquery 2y ago
    The law was passed knowing it would make bigots uncomfortable. That's an intended effect, if not a primary one, at least a secondary one.
    - microbugged 2y ago
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    - UberFly 2y ago
      What a strange comment. I wonder if there was any consideration for the women locked up and powerless in the matter, or was the point really just to "show those bigots"?
      - jquery 2y ago
        If they’re transphobic and don’t want to be around transwomen, they could’ve committed the crime in a state that puts transwomen in with male prisoners (and get raped repeatedly). Of course, those states tend to treat their female inmates much worse than California, so this all seems like special pleading specifically borne out of transphobia.
- jquery 2y ago
  These "activists" will go nowhere, because it's not coming from a well meaning place of wanting to stop fraudsters, but insists that all trans women are frauds and consistently misgenders them across the entire website. I wouldn't take anything they said seriously. Also I clicked two of those links and found no allegations of rape, just a few ciswomen who didn't want to be around transwomen. I have a suggestion, how about don't commit a crime that sends you to a woman's prison?
  - zzrzzr 2y ago
    > I wouldn't take anything they said seriously. Also I clicked two of those links and found no allegations of rape, See https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-california-womens-prison-cdcr-confirms-pregnancy https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-.... This is the inevitable consequence of SB132, and similar laws elsewhere.
    - jquery 2y ago
      Rape is endemic throughout the prison industrial complex, protections for prisoners are nowhere good enough. Subjecting transwomen to rape in men’s prisons isn’t the solution. The JD Vance/Peter Thiel/SSC rationalist sphere is such a joke. Just a bunch of pretentious bigots who think they’re better than the “stupid” bigots.
      - zzrzzr 2y ago
        > Rape is endemic throughout the prison industrial complex, protections for prisoners are nowhere good enough. The most effective safeguarding measure against this for female prisoners is the segregation of inmates by sex. SB132 has demolished this protection for women in Californian prisons and, as the linked articles discuss, we now see the awful and entirely avoidable consequences of this law, within just a few years of it being enacted. Exactly as women's rights advocates made legislators aware would happen in their unfortunately futile efforts to halt SB132 from being passed.
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johnnyanmac 2y ago
Technically you can't go over 5mph of the speed limit. And that's only because of radar accuracy. Of course no one cares until you get a bored cop one day. And with free way traffic you're lucky to hit half the speed limit.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  By "not be able" they don't mean legally, they mean GPS-based enforcement.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    You'd think they'd learn from the streetlight cameras that it's just a waste of budget and resources 99% of the time to worry about petty things like that. It will still work on the same logic and the bias always tends to skew from profiling (so lawsuit waiting to happen unless we are funding properly trained personell. I'm not against the law per se, I just don't think it'd be any more effective than the other tech we have or had.
  - drivers99 2y ago
    Rental scooters have speed limiters. My class-1 pedal assist electric bike has a speed limit on the assistance. Car deaths are over 40,000 in the US per year. Why can't they be limited?
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      I said GPS for a reason. Tying it to fine-grained map lookups is so much more fragile and dangerous than a fixed speed limit.
deredede 2y ago
I was surprised at the claim that intentionally giving someone AIDS would be decriminalized, so I looked it up. The AIDS bill you seem to refer to (SB 239) lowers penalties from a felony to a misdemeanor (so it is still a crime), bringing it in line with other sexually transmitted diseases. The argument is that we now have good enough treatment for HIV that there is no reason for the punishment to be harsher than for exposing someone to hepatitis or herpes, which I think is sound.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  "Undetectable means untranstmitable" is NOT the same as "cured" in the way that many STDs can be. I am not okay with being forced onto drugs for the rest of my life to prevent a disease which is normally a horribly painful death sentence. Herpes is so ubiquitous that much of the population (as I recall on the orders of 30-40%) has it and doesn't know it, so it's a special exception HIV/AIDS to this day is still something that people commit suicide over, despite how good your local gay male community is at trying to convince you that everything is okay and that "DoxyPep and Poppers is normal". Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies.
  - diebeforei485 2y ago
    Exposure is not the same as transmission. Transmission is still illegal.
  - deredede 2y ago
    > Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies. I agree; I think that knowingly transmitting any communicable disease deserves a felony, but I don't think that HIV deserves to be singled out when all other such diseases are a misdemeanor. Hepatitis and herpes (oral herpes is very common; genital herpes much less so) are also known to cause mental issues and to increase suicide risk, if that's your criterion. (Poppers are recreational drugs, I'm not aware of any link with AIDS except that they were thought to be a possible cause in the '80s. Were you thinking of prep?)
  - fennecfoxy 2y ago
radicality 2y ago
I don’t follow politics closely and don’t live in CA, but is he really that bad? I had a look on Wikipedia for some other bills he worked on that seem to me positive: * wanted to decriminalize psychoactive drugs (lsd/dmt/mdma etc) * wanted to allow alcohol sales till 4am * a bill about removing parking minimums for new constructions close to public transit Though I agree the car one seems ridiculous, and on first glance downright dangerous.
- lostdog 2y ago
  He's mostly good, and is the main guy fixing housing and transit in CA. But yeah, there are some issues he's just wrong on (AI and the recent restaurant fee problem), others which are controversial (decriminalizing HIV transmission), and then some trans rights issues that some commenters are being hyperbolic about (should transwomen be in womens or mens prison?).

baggy_trough 2y ago

Scott Wiener is literally a demon in human form.

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zzrzzr 2y ago

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microbug 2y ago
who could've predicted this?
- jquery 2y ago
  The law was passed knowing it would make bigots uncomfortable. That's an intended effect, if not a primary one, at least a secondary one.
  - microbugged 2y ago
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  - UberFly 2y ago
    What a strange comment. I wonder if there was any consideration for the women locked up and powerless in the matter, or was the point really just to "show those bigots"?
    - jquery 2y ago
      If they’re transphobic and don’t want to be around transwomen, they could’ve committed the crime in a state that puts transwomen in with male prisoners (and get raped repeatedly). Of course, those states tend to treat their female inmates much worse than California, so this all seems like special pleading specifically borne out of transphobia.
jquery 2y ago
These "activists" will go nowhere, because it's not coming from a well meaning place of wanting to stop fraudsters, but insists that all trans women are frauds and consistently misgenders them across the entire website. I wouldn't take anything they said seriously. Also I clicked two of those links and found no allegations of rape, just a few ciswomen who didn't want to be around transwomen. I have a suggestion, how about don't commit a crime that sends you to a woman's prison?
- zzrzzr 2y ago
  > I wouldn't take anything they said seriously. Also I clicked two of those links and found no allegations of rape, See https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-california-womens-prison-cdcr-confirms-pregnancy https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-.... This is the inevitable consequence of SB132, and similar laws elsewhere.
  - jquery 2y ago
    Rape is endemic throughout the prison industrial complex, protections for prisoners are nowhere good enough. Subjecting transwomen to rape in men’s prisons isn’t the solution. The JD Vance/Peter Thiel/SSC rationalist sphere is such a joke. Just a bunch of pretentious bigots who think they’re better than the “stupid” bigots.
    - zzrzzr 2y ago
      > Rape is endemic throughout the prison industrial complex, protections for prisoners are nowhere good enough. The most effective safeguarding measure against this for female prisoners is the segregation of inmates by sex. SB132 has demolished this protection for women in Californian prisons and, as the linked articles discuss, we now see the awful and entirely avoidable consequences of this law, within just a few years of it being enacted. Exactly as women's rights advocates made legislators aware would happen in their unfortunately futile efforts to halt SB132 from being passed.
      - 2y ago

johnnyanmac 2y ago

Technically you can't go over 5mph of the speed limit. And that's only because of radar accuracy. Of course no one cares until you get a bored cop one day. And with free way traffic you're lucky to hit half the speed limit.

Dylan16807 2y ago
By "not be able" they don't mean legally, they mean GPS-based enforcement.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  You'd think they'd learn from the streetlight cameras that it's just a waste of budget and resources 99% of the time to worry about petty things like that. It will still work on the same logic and the bias always tends to skew from profiling (so lawsuit waiting to happen unless we are funding properly trained personell. I'm not against the law per se, I just don't think it'd be any more effective than the other tech we have or had.
- drivers99 2y ago
  Rental scooters have speed limiters. My class-1 pedal assist electric bike has a speed limit on the assistance. Car deaths are over 40,000 in the US per year. Why can't they be limited?
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    I said GPS for a reason. Tying it to fine-grained map lookups is so much more fragile and dangerous than a fixed speed limit.

deredede 2y ago

I was surprised at the claim that intentionally giving someone AIDS would be decriminalized, so I looked it up. The AIDS bill you seem to refer to (SB 239) lowers penalties from a felony to a misdemeanor (so it is still a crime), bringing it in line with other sexually transmitted diseases. The argument is that we now have good enough treatment for HIV that there is no reason for the punishment to be harsher than for exposing someone to hepatitis or herpes, which I think is sound.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
"Undetectable means untranstmitable" is NOT the same as "cured" in the way that many STDs can be. I am not okay with being forced onto drugs for the rest of my life to prevent a disease which is normally a horribly painful death sentence. Herpes is so ubiquitous that much of the population (as I recall on the orders of 30-40%) has it and doesn't know it, so it's a special exception HIV/AIDS to this day is still something that people commit suicide over, despite how good your local gay male community is at trying to convince you that everything is okay and that "DoxyPep and Poppers is normal". Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies.
- diebeforei485 2y ago
  Exposure is not the same as transmission. Transmission is still illegal.
- deredede 2y ago
  > Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies. I agree; I think that knowingly transmitting any communicable disease deserves a felony, but I don't think that HIV deserves to be singled out when all other such diseases are a misdemeanor. Hepatitis and herpes (oral herpes is very common; genital herpes much less so) are also known to cause mental issues and to increase suicide risk, if that's your criterion. (Poppers are recreational drugs, I'm not aware of any link with AIDS except that they were thought to be a possible cause in the '80s. Were you thinking of prep?)
- fennecfoxy 2y ago

radicality 2y ago

I don’t follow politics closely and don’t live in CA, but is he really that bad? I had a look on Wikipedia for some other bills he worked on that seem to me positive: * wanted to decriminalize psychoactive drugs (lsd/dmt/mdma etc) * wanted to allow alcohol sales till 4am * a bill about removing parking minimums for new constructions close to public transit Though I agree the car one seems ridiculous, and on first glance downright dangerous.

lostdog 2y ago
He's mostly good, and is the main guy fixing housing and transit in CA. But yeah, there are some issues he's just wrong on (AI and the recent restaurant fee problem), others which are controversial (decriminalizing HIV transmission), and then some trans rights issues that some commenters are being hyperbolic about (should transwomen be in womens or mens prison?).