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At least woke had a real meaning when it started, now the right just uses it as “anything the the other guys do that I don’t like”

standardUser 2y ago
It's hard to argue this is inaccurate. The origin of the term isn't really up for debate. And the way the conservative movement uses the term is overwhelming well-documented at this point.
spinach 2y ago
It's usually used to mean identity politics, isn't it? The origin of the word has it's roots in racism, but now it's come to basically mean all forms of identity politics.
- superb_dev 2y ago
  No, it’s an adjective to describe a person. Someone who is “awake” to the structural oppression around them. I guess you could call structural oppression “identity politics”, but that seriously feels like a dog whistle.
  - lazyeye 2y ago
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    - superb_dev 2y ago
      That is not a correct way to rephrase the definition I gave. Saying everything gets viewed through “oppressor/oppressed” is wrong and disingenuous. It implies that they are looking for something that isn’t there rather than noticing something that’s already there.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - lazyeye 2y ago
        Either that or the opposite is true.
- razakel 2y ago
  All politics fundamentally concerns identity.
dotnet00 2y ago
I'd like to counter this, but yeah... lots of people just throw "woke" and "DEI" around for everything not good, it's extremely painful to see. - Boeing sucks at building stuff: blame woke hiring - SpaceX has a landing failure: blame DEI hires at suppliers I wouldn't be surprised if they shout at the sky screaming about woke clouds when they get caught in rain without an umbrella
- falcolas 2y ago
  DEI is a replacement word, especially when used in the phrase "DEI hire". It's a replacement for Black, more specifically "N**r". It's been really weird to see "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" become a hate word.
- Izkata 2y ago
  Both of those mean "hiring based on identity politics instead of ability to do the job" (though different sub-groups, the first being activists and the second being the groups the activists focus on). It's not a simplistic "not good".
  - dotnet00 2y ago
    I know that's what those are supposed to mean, but that's not how the average poster on social media seems to use it. Like with my example of the SpaceX landing failure, it was a booster that had flown over 20 times, had flown a trajectory at the edge of its performance, the leading theory (IIRC) was/is that some components on the legs finally wore out too much. Testing these limits has been one of the side-benefits of Starlink launches on used boosters. So, seeing a bunch of people stupidly freaking out about this being due to DEI just shows that they don't actually know what "DEI hiring" is as a complaint.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      > I know that's what those are supposed to mean, but that's not how the average poster on social media seems to use it. This applies for every single word, average poster on social media are dumb. Toxic masculinity is similarly misused etc.
shaneofalltrad 2y ago
This comment is probably the most correct reason "woke" has a negative tone now, because they chose to use it as a way to ignore their behaviors or associations that might not be the most empathetic of others, aligning it with this "woke" movement allows them to turn their back on the topic. Hard for those that care about topics to engage in bringing to light when half the Country puts your comment on blast for being too "woke". It's like Idiocracy at it's infancy.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
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standardUser 2y ago

It's hard to argue this is inaccurate. The origin of the term isn't really up for debate. And the way the conservative movement uses the term is overwhelming well-documented at this point.

spinach 2y ago

It's usually used to mean identity politics, isn't it? The origin of the word has it's roots in racism, but now it's come to basically mean all forms of identity politics.

superb_dev 2y ago
No, it’s an adjective to describe a person. Someone who is “awake” to the structural oppression around them. I guess you could call structural oppression “identity politics”, but that seriously feels like a dog whistle.
- lazyeye 2y ago
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  - superb_dev 2y ago
    That is not a correct way to rephrase the definition I gave. Saying everything gets viewed through “oppressor/oppressed” is wrong and disingenuous. It implies that they are looking for something that isn’t there rather than noticing something that’s already there.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - lazyeye 2y ago
      Either that or the opposite is true.
razakel 2y ago
All politics fundamentally concerns identity.

dotnet00 2y ago

I'd like to counter this, but yeah... lots of people just throw "woke" and "DEI" around for everything not good, it's extremely painful to see. - Boeing sucks at building stuff: blame woke hiring - SpaceX has a landing failure: blame DEI hires at suppliers I wouldn't be surprised if they shout at the sky screaming about woke clouds when they get caught in rain without an umbrella

falcolas 2y ago
DEI is a replacement word, especially when used in the phrase "DEI hire". It's a replacement for Black, more specifically "N**r". It's been really weird to see "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" become a hate word.
Izkata 2y ago
Both of those mean "hiring based on identity politics instead of ability to do the job" (though different sub-groups, the first being activists and the second being the groups the activists focus on). It's not a simplistic "not good".
- dotnet00 2y ago
  I know that's what those are supposed to mean, but that's not how the average poster on social media seems to use it. Like with my example of the SpaceX landing failure, it was a booster that had flown over 20 times, had flown a trajectory at the edge of its performance, the leading theory (IIRC) was/is that some components on the legs finally wore out too much. Testing these limits has been one of the side-benefits of Starlink launches on used boosters. So, seeing a bunch of people stupidly freaking out about this being due to DEI just shows that they don't actually know what "DEI hiring" is as a complaint.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > I know that's what those are supposed to mean, but that's not how the average poster on social media seems to use it. This applies for every single word, average poster on social media are dumb. Toxic masculinity is similarly misused etc.

shaneofalltrad 2y ago

This comment is probably the most correct reason "woke" has a negative tone now, because they chose to use it as a way to ignore their behaviors or associations that might not be the most empathetic of others, aligning it with this "woke" movement allows them to turn their back on the topic. Hard for those that care about topics to engage in bringing to light when half the Country puts your comment on blast for being too "woke". It's like Idiocracy at it's infancy.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

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