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https://waymo.com/firstresponders/ https://waymo.com/firstresponders/ Waymo has an emergency team that will guide LE on taking over a Waymo. They'll shut it do

https://waymo.com/firstresponders/ https://waymo.com/firstresponders/ Waymo has an emergency team that will guide LE on taking over a Waymo. They'll shut it down, pop the doors, and give them a code to punch in on the wheel controls to disengage it and put it in manual mode to shuttle it out of the way.

Brian_K_White 2y ago
This kinda sounds like employing the police to do your job. Police/Fire etc should absolutely have this ability, but that is a seperate issue.
- Aerroon 2y ago
  If police/fire get this ability commonly then will they start asking for it with regular cars as well?
  - weaksauce 2y ago
    they already do this regularly. just instead of driving it off the road they ram it with their vehicles off the road. edit: or if there's time they will tow it.
  - paulddraper 2y ago
    If the driver is incapacitated, they will move the vehicle themselves
  - valval 2y ago
    Moving a car if the driver is incapacitated or not present?
  - 1659447091 2y ago
    block access to a fire hydrant they may break the windows put the car in neutral and move it out of the way
    - capitainenemo 2y ago
      Or this.. https://abcnews.go.com/US/park-fire-hydrants-california-fire-department-posts-viral/story?id=61355429 https://abcnews.go.com/US/park-fire-hydrants-california-fire...
  - nativeit 2y ago
    Traditionally, this is called “towing”.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  view it as a subsidy of the technology, which i think we should be doing
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  Police clear debris off the road after an accident. By that logic they’re taking sanitation worker jobs.
- nickthegreek 2y ago
  The police should be able to levy some sort of fine/fee for this imo.
  - SteveNuts 2y ago
    I understand this is a slippery slope argument on my part, but why is this any different from the emergency services pushing a non-autonomous vehicle out of the way to clear traffic? What if it’s a privately owned bus, or a taxi? Would those companies foot the bill for their disabled vehicle?
    - ninth_ant 2y ago
      If a private company leaves operational vehicles in the middle of streets and requires city services to move them to unblock public roads... sure, let's charge them. Is that something that is happening? Is that more likely to start happening we make this change? This slope is beyond slippery.
    - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
      It depends on whether you see it as a piece of machinery that's broken, or a non-human driver that's choosing to violate the rules of the road. As the article mentions, it sounds like California has chosen the second and plans to begin issuing citations.
      - Brian_K_White 2y ago
        A human owns and operates and is the benificiary of a company that chooses to put un-chaperoned machinery on the road. "machinery that's broken" doesn't make it ok. Where did the broken machinery come from? It's not a natural event like the weather. It came from someone who placed it there without a supervising agent to be responsible for it. It's essentially a special form of littering.
        SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
        > "machinery that's broken" doesn't make it ok. Where did the broken machinery come from? It's not a natural event like the weather. It came from someone who placed it there without a supervising agent to be responsible for it. Sometimes making an individual responsible just isn't the right call. If you have a car that you know is a bit of a clunker, and it breaks down in the middle of the road, should you be cited? I'm not saying California's decision was bad, but I could imagine a reasonable government pursuing a different strategy too.
- jorvi 2y ago
  If your ordinary car breaks down in the middle of a busy road, then yeah the police or fire department will indeed help you push it out of the way (if bystanders aren’t already). You wouldn’t say that’s the responsibility of Toyota.
  - Brian_K_White 2y ago
    It's not about the car or the manufactirer, it's about the operator. The closest analogy would be when the driver of an ordinary car becomes incapacitated. In that case, the police or someone acting on the polices behalf can and will move the vehicle and then the owner pays for that later. But there IS an operator who is responsible for the vehicle unless some misfortune happens. A self driving car sseems more like letting other people deal with any problems you caused by letting that car loose on the road. Basically the same as parking a regular car somewhere it's not supposed to be and leaving it. "Oh if this car I left in front of the firehouse is in the way, just call this number and I'll tell you some instructions how to unlock the car and drive it somewhere else for me."

Brian_K_White 2y ago

This kinda sounds like employing the police to do your job. Police/Fire etc should absolutely have this ability, but that is a seperate issue.

Aerroon 2y ago
If police/fire get this ability commonly then will they start asking for it with regular cars as well?
- weaksauce 2y ago
  they already do this regularly. just instead of driving it off the road they ram it with their vehicles off the road. edit: or if there's time they will tow it.
- paulddraper 2y ago
  If the driver is incapacitated, they will move the vehicle themselves
- valval 2y ago
  Moving a car if the driver is incapacitated or not present?
- 1659447091 2y ago
  block access to a fire hydrant they may break the windows put the car in neutral and move it out of the way
  - capitainenemo 2y ago
    Or this.. https://abcnews.go.com/US/park-fire-hydrants-california-fire-department-posts-viral/story?id=61355429 https://abcnews.go.com/US/park-fire-hydrants-california-fire...
- nativeit 2y ago
  Traditionally, this is called “towing”.
whimsicalism 2y ago
view it as a subsidy of the technology, which i think we should be doing
dyauspitr 2y ago
Police clear debris off the road after an accident. By that logic they’re taking sanitation worker jobs.
nickthegreek 2y ago
The police should be able to levy some sort of fine/fee for this imo.
- SteveNuts 2y ago
  I understand this is a slippery slope argument on my part, but why is this any different from the emergency services pushing a non-autonomous vehicle out of the way to clear traffic? What if it’s a privately owned bus, or a taxi? Would those companies foot the bill for their disabled vehicle?
  - ninth_ant 2y ago
    If a private company leaves operational vehicles in the middle of streets and requires city services to move them to unblock public roads... sure, let's charge them. Is that something that is happening? Is that more likely to start happening we make this change? This slope is beyond slippery.
  - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
    It depends on whether you see it as a piece of machinery that's broken, or a non-human driver that's choosing to violate the rules of the road. As the article mentions, it sounds like California has chosen the second and plans to begin issuing citations.
    - Brian_K_White 2y ago
      A human owns and operates and is the benificiary of a company that chooses to put un-chaperoned machinery on the road. "machinery that's broken" doesn't make it ok. Where did the broken machinery come from? It's not a natural event like the weather. It came from someone who placed it there without a supervising agent to be responsible for it. It's essentially a special form of littering.
      - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
        > "machinery that's broken" doesn't make it ok. Where did the broken machinery come from? It's not a natural event like the weather. It came from someone who placed it there without a supervising agent to be responsible for it. Sometimes making an individual responsible just isn't the right call. If you have a car that you know is a bit of a clunker, and it breaks down in the middle of the road, should you be cited? I'm not saying California's decision was bad, but I could imagine a reasonable government pursuing a different strategy too.
jorvi 2y ago
If your ordinary car breaks down in the middle of a busy road, then yeah the police or fire department will indeed help you push it out of the way (if bystanders aren’t already). You wouldn’t say that’s the responsibility of Toyota.
- Brian_K_White 2y ago
  It's not about the car or the manufactirer, it's about the operator. The closest analogy would be when the driver of an ordinary car becomes incapacitated. In that case, the police or someone acting on the polices behalf can and will move the vehicle and then the owner pays for that later. But there IS an operator who is responsible for the vehicle unless some misfortune happens. A self driving car sseems more like letting other people deal with any problems you caused by letting that car loose on the road. Basically the same as parking a regular car somewhere it's not supposed to be and leaving it. "Oh if this car I left in front of the firehouse is in the way, just call this number and I'll tell you some instructions how to unlock the car and drive it somewhere else for me."