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If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. You shift from

If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. You shift from talking about danger or distress, to "not regular or expected". Which is it? I think danger and urgency are marks of "rescue". If they had supplies and were in no immediate danger, I don't see how the term or the alarmism qualifies.

joe_the_user 2y ago
If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. I don't think being in a leaky space station for eight months, where you suffer the effects of accelerated aging due to zero gravity, is equivalent to a being in a fully loaded villa for a month. I'm using the "distress" part of "danger or distress". The average person would view the situation as distressing for the astronauts, for the average person "rescue" is appropriate term. Jeesh.
moralestapia 2y ago
You mixed the numbers there. "day 30 of my 2 day vacation" is more accurate.
raspasov 2y ago
Your villa is totally incomparable to space or a space station. Hypothetically: - you can walk outside, hitch a ride home - fully loaded means there’s electricity and phones? Call a Taxi? - walk to a near town shop, buy car parts and fix the car if you have the skills None of those hypotheticals are even remotely possible in space. It’s a bad comparison.
raspasov 2y ago
I would describe rescue as: Whenever I travel to a location, the planned return transport fails AND I would eventually be dead without outside human assistance. That’s a rescue. In your villa example that is correct: your friend helping you is not a rescue. It’s a convenient helping hand. A space station is a different beast though. If your villa was on a remote isolated island without anyone else on it, it would be closer to the space station but still not exactly the same. The island, depending on its size might have bountiful food/animals you can hypothetically harvest, not to mention attempting to plant and grow some seeds from the hypothetical fruits and vegetables you already have. Very little of this is realistically possible in a space station like the one we have.
lupusreal 2y ago
> If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. If you chose to say it was, nobody would be doing the "Well ACKSHULLY..." routine with you because that is in fact totally in line with common use of the word rescue and not worth making a stink about even if you think it sounds a little melodramatic. The ISS situation is more extreme than your example in every way, but you're pulling the ackshully bullshit because you don't like the company that has done it.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  >but you're pulling the ackshully bullshit because you don't like the company that has done it. I wonder if you, like me, have taken a vacation to travel half-way across the United States to watch a SpaceX launch, or had discussions with former heads of NASA as far back as 2011 about what the company meant/means for manned spaceflight. I wonder if you grew up around astronauts or knew people who died on Columbia. This isn't an appeal to authority, it's a statement of experience. I'm in a pedantic HN subthread and threw in my subjective opinion regarding the use of the term "rescue" - please don't jump to assuming I'm some evil troll.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    I will repeat myself, you wouldn't be doing this pedantic nitpicking bullshit with the word 'rescue' in any other context.
    - unethical_ban 2y ago
      No need to repeat yourself, it serves only to self-gratify.
      - lupusreal 2y ago
        Oh yeah that's annoying. But please, tell me more about all your vacations.

joe_the_user 2y ago

If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. I don't think being in a leaky space station for eight months, where you suffer the effects of accelerated aging due to zero gravity, is equivalent to a being in a fully loaded villa for a month. I'm using the "distress" part of "danger or distress". The average person would view the situation as distressing for the astronauts, for the average person "rescue" is appropriate term. Jeesh.

moralestapia 2y ago

You mixed the numbers there. "day 30 of my 2 day vacation" is more accurate.

raspasov 2y ago

Your villa is totally incomparable to space or a space station. Hypothetically: - you can walk outside, hitch a ride home - fully loaded means there’s electricity and phones? Call a Taxi? - walk to a near town shop, buy car parts and fix the car if you have the skills None of those hypotheticals are even remotely possible in space. It’s a bad comparison.

raspasov 2y ago

I would describe rescue as: Whenever I travel to a location, the planned return transport fails AND I would eventually be dead without outside human assistance. That’s a rescue. In your villa example that is correct: your friend helping you is not a rescue. It’s a convenient helping hand. A space station is a different beast though. If your villa was on a remote isolated island without anyone else on it, it would be closer to the space station but still not exactly the same. The island, depending on its size might have bountiful food/animals you can hypothetically harvest, not to mention attempting to plant and grow some seeds from the hypothetical fruits and vegetables you already have. Very little of this is realistically possible in a space station like the one we have.

lupusreal 2y ago

> If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. If you chose to say it was, nobody would be doing the "Well ACKSHULLY..." routine with you because that is in fact totally in line with common use of the word rescue and not worth making a stink about even if you think it sounds a little melodramatic. The ISS situation is more extreme than your example in every way, but you're pulling the ackshully bullshit because you don't like the company that has done it.

unethical_ban 2y ago
>but you're pulling the ackshully bullshit because you don't like the company that has done it. I wonder if you, like me, have taken a vacation to travel half-way across the United States to watch a SpaceX launch, or had discussions with former heads of NASA as far back as 2011 about what the company meant/means for manned spaceflight. I wonder if you grew up around astronauts or knew people who died on Columbia. This isn't an appeal to authority, it's a statement of experience. I'm in a pedantic HN subthread and threw in my subjective opinion regarding the use of the term "rescue" - please don't jump to assuming I'm some evil troll.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  I will repeat myself, you wouldn't be doing this pedantic nitpicking bullshit with the word 'rescue' in any other context.
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    No need to repeat yourself, it serves only to self-gratify.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      Oh yeah that's annoying. But please, tell me more about all your vacations.