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Good. My problem with Just Stop Oil is all their activism is just targeting people that have nothing to do with oil. They could be much more productive if they

Good. My problem with Just Stop Oil is all their activism is just targeting people that have nothing to do with oil. They could be much more productive if they petitioned governments or people in power to change energy policy but no all they do is make the lives of people that have nothing to do with it miserable. Their logic goes something like: "if I splash paint on this painting or block traffic, people will see our message and that will motivate them to join our cause". But in reality those people aren't going to be motivated to join your cause, they will just think you are a giant asshat.

orwin 2y ago
To be fair, they never go for unprotected paintings, they mostly go for maximum outrage and visibility. I've talked to a Femen a few years ago (a Russian, exiled in France), asked why they go for visible but ultimately non-actionable acts, and basically her response was something like 'We want to shock the most bigoted, idiotic persons you know, so that they will talk about us to people without strong opinions at their family diners. You can't have real change even with strong words like "women are raped in their own bed" (it was waaaaay before Peniquot) if nobody is opposing you. We create an opposition to make our voice louder'. Or something like that, I mostly remember the last sentence.
mmooss 2y ago
We all have to do with oil. We all use it, and more than that, government is responsive to us. The main cause of climate change is people not doing anything about it. Building awareness and stimulating action is fundamental to any change. People respond to activism like it's some new, obviously stupid idea, rather than a technique with a long history of being effective and essential to democracy and freedom. That is, people respond to left-wing activism that way, for obvious reasons.
- lotsoweiners 2y ago
  > The main cause of climate change is people not doing anything about it. Ok so other than voting for candidates/laws that assist with it and maybe driving an EV what can an individual do? How does ruined art factor into that? > Building awareness and stimulating action is fundamental to any change. If everyone has already heard about it everyday from the media and various internet people, how does a ruined art piece stimulate additional change?
  - mmooss 2y ago
    The first step: Stop arguing.
asmnzxklopqw 2y ago
> My problem with Just Stop Oil is all their activism is just targeting people that have nothing to do with oil. Maybe they don’t like oil paintings.
janice1999 2y ago
> My problem with Just Stop Oil is all their activism is just targeting people that have nothing to do with oil They regularly blockade oil facilities and corporate office of oil companies.. except that does not make the news.

orwin 2y ago

To be fair, they never go for unprotected paintings, they mostly go for maximum outrage and visibility. I've talked to a Femen a few years ago (a Russian, exiled in France), asked why they go for visible but ultimately non-actionable acts, and basically her response was something like 'We want to shock the most bigoted, idiotic persons you know, so that they will talk about us to people without strong opinions at their family diners. You can't have real change even with strong words like "women are raped in their own bed" (it was waaaaay before Peniquot) if nobody is opposing you. We create an opposition to make our voice louder'. Or something like that, I mostly remember the last sentence.

mmooss 2y ago

We all have to do with oil. We all use it, and more than that, government is responsive to us. The main cause of climate change is people not doing anything about it. Building awareness and stimulating action is fundamental to any change. People respond to activism like it's some new, obviously stupid idea, rather than a technique with a long history of being effective and essential to democracy and freedom. That is, people respond to left-wing activism that way, for obvious reasons.

lotsoweiners 2y ago
> The main cause of climate change is people not doing anything about it. Ok so other than voting for candidates/laws that assist with it and maybe driving an EV what can an individual do? How does ruined art factor into that? > Building awareness and stimulating action is fundamental to any change. If everyone has already heard about it everyday from the media and various internet people, how does a ruined art piece stimulate additional change?
- mmooss 2y ago
  The first step: Stop arguing.

asmnzxklopqw 2y ago

> My problem with Just Stop Oil is all their activism is just targeting people that have nothing to do with oil. Maybe they don’t like oil paintings.

janice1999 2y ago

> My problem with Just Stop Oil is all their activism is just targeting people that have nothing to do with oil They regularly blockade oil facilities and corporate office of oil companies.. except that does not make the news.