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Why do they keep saying "superhuman"? Algorithms are used for these tasks, humans aren't laying out trillions of transistors by hand.
by yeahwhatever10 2y ago
Why do they keep saying "superhuman"? Algorithms are used for these tasks, humans aren't laying out trillions of transistors by hand.
- epistasis 2y agoGoogle is good at many things, but perhaps their strongest skill is media positioning.
- jonas21 2y agoI feel like they're particularly bad at this, especially compared to other large companies.
- pinewurst 2y agoFamiliarity breeds contempt. They've been pushing the Google==Superhuman thing since the Internet Boom with declining efficacy.
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- lordswork 2y agoThe media hates Google.
- epistasis 2y agoIt a love/hate relationship. Which benefits Google and the media greatly.
- jeffbee 2y agoThis is floorplanning the blocks, not every feature. We are talking dozens to hundreds of blocks, not billions-trillions of gates and wires. I assume that the human benchmark is a human using existing EDA tools, not a guy with a pocket protector and a roll of tape.
- yeahwhatever10 2y agoFloorplanning algorithms and solvers already exist https://limsk.ece.gatech.edu/course/ece6133/slides/floorplanning.pdf https://limsk.ece.gatech.edu/course/ece6133/slides/floorplan...
- jeffbee 2y agoThe original paper from DeepMind evaluates what they are now calling AlphaChip versus existing optimizers, including simulated annealing. They conclude that AlphaChip outperforms them with much less compute and real time. https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ey204/teaching/ACS/R244_2021_2022/papers/Mirhoseini_NATURE_2021.pdf https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ey204/teaching/ACS/R244_2021_2022/...
- foobarian 2y agoRandomized algorithms strike again!
- sudosysgen 2y agoThis is moreso amortized optimization/reinforcement learning, not randomized algorithms.
- hulitu 2y ago> They conclude that AlphaChip outperforms them with much less compute and real time. Of course they do. I'm waiting for their products.
- fph 2y agoMy state-of-art bubblesort implementation is also superhuman at sorting numbers.
- xanderlewis 2y agoNice. Do you offer API access for a monthly fee?
- int0x29 2y agoI'll need 7 5 gigawatt datacenters in the middle of major urban areas or we might lose the Bubble Sort race with the Chinese.
- gattr 2y agoSurely a 1.21-GW datacenter would suffice!
- therein 2y agoHave we decided when are we deprecating it? I'm already cultivating another team in a remote location to work on a competing product that we will include into Google Cloud a month before deprecating this one.
- dgacmu 2y agoSurely you'll be able to reduce this by getting TSMC to build new fabs to construct your new Bubble Sort Processors (BSPs).
- qingcharles 2y agoI'll give you US$7Tn in investment. Just don't ask where it's coming from.
- HPsquared 2y agoNice. Still true though! We are in the bubble sort era of AI.
- jayd16 2y ago"superhuman or comparable" What nonsense! XD
- thomasahle 2y agoBelieve it or not, but there was a time where algorithms were worse than humans at layout out transistors. In particular at the higher level design decisions.
- justsid 2y agoThat’s somewhat still the case, humans could do a much better job at efficient layouting. The problem is that humans don’t scale as well, laying out billions of transistors is hard for humans. But computers can do it if you forego some efficiency by switching to standard cells and then throw compute at the problem.
- negativeonehalf 2y agoPrior to AlphaChip, macro placement was done manually by human engineers in any production setting. Prior algorithmic methods especially struggled to manage congestion, resulting in chips that weren't manufacturable.
- AshamedCaptain 2y ago> macro placement was done manually by human engineers in any production setting To quote certain popular TV series .... Sorry, are you from the past? Do your "production" chips only have a couple dozen macros or what?
- deelowe 2y agoI read the paper. Superhuman is a metric they defined in the paper which has to do with how long it takes a human to do certain tasks.
- anna-gabriella 2y agoDoes this make any sense, really? - Define some common words and then let the media run wild with them. How about we redefine "better" and "revolutionize"? Oh, wait, I think people are doing that already...