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The fact I even see responses like this shows me that HN is not the place it used to be, or at the very least, it is on a down trend. I've been alarmed by many
by dannersy 2y ago
The fact I even see responses like this shows me that HN is not the place it used to be, or at the very least, it is on a down trend. I've been alarmed by many sentiments that seemed popular on HN in the past, but seeing more and more people welcome a race to the bottom such as this is sad.
When I read this, I cannot tell if it's performance art or not, that's how bad this genuinely is.
- diggan 2y ago> The fact I even see responses like this shows me that HN is not the place it used to be, or at the very least, it is on a down trend. Judging a large group of people based on what a few write seems very un-scientific at best. Especially when it comes to things that have been rehashed since I've joined HN (and probably earlier to). Feels like there will always be someone lamenting how HN isn't how it used to be, or how reddit influx ruined HN, or how HN isn't about startups/technical stuff/$whatever anymore.
- dannersy 2y agoA bunch of profanity laced name calling, derision, and even some blame directly at the user base. It feels like a Reddit shitpost. Your claim is as generalized and un-scientific as mine, but if it makes you feel better, I'll say it _feels_ like this wouldn't fly even a couple years ago.
- diggan 2y agoIt's just been said for so long that either HN always been on the decline, or people have always thought it been in decline... This comes to mind: > I don't think it's changed much. I think perceptions of the kind you're describing (HN is turning into reddit, comments are getting worse, etc.) are more a statement about the perceiver than about HN itself, which to me seems same-as-it-ever-was. I don't know, however. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40735225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40735225 You can also browse some results for how long dang have been responding to similar complaints to see for how long those complaints have been ongoing: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20hn%20turning%20into%20reddit&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- mejutoco 2y ago> Judging a large group of people based on what a few write seems very un-scientific at best. There is a voting mechanism on hn as well.
- Kuinox 2y ago"I don't like the opinion of certain persons I read on HN, therefore HN is on a down trend"
- dannersy 2y agoLike I've said to someone else, the contrarian part isn't the issue. While I disagree with the race to the bottom, it reads like a Reddit shitpost, which was frowned upon once upon a time. But strawman me if you must.
- layer8 2y agoI think you need to recalibrate, it does not read like a Reddit shitpost at all.
- DiscourseFan 2y agoRespectfully, I understand the criticism: LLMs, on their own, are not going to be able to do anything more. Release in this sense only means this: to fully embrace the means necessary to allow technology to overcome the current conditions of possibility that it is bound under, and LLMs, "AI" or whatever you call it, merely gives us the afterimage of this potentiality. But they are not, in themselves, that potential: the future is required. But its a future that must be created, otherwise we won't have one. That's, at least, what the other commenters were saying. You ignore the content for the form! Or, as they say, you missed the forest for the trees. I can't stop you from being angry because I used the word "pussy," or even because I addressed the users of HN as directly complicit. I can, however, point out the mediocrity inherent to such a discourse. It is precisely the same mediocrity, the drive towards "politeness," that makes ChatGPT so insufferable, and makes the rest of us so angry. But, go ahead, whine some more. I don't care, you can do what you want. I disagree with one point, however: it is not a race to the bottom. We're trying to go below it.
- primitivesuave 2y agoThe alarming trend should be how even a slightly contrarian point of view is downvoted to oblivion, and that newer members of the community expect it to work that way.
- dannersy 2y agoI don't think it's the contrarian part that I have a problem with.
- primitivesuave 2y agoHN is a place for intellectual curiosity. For over a decade I have seen great minds respectfully debate their point of view on this forum. In this particular case, I would have been genuinely interested to learn why exactly the original comment is advocating for a "race to the bottom" - in fact, there is a sibling comment to yours which makes a cogent argument without personally attacking the original commenter. Instead, you devoted 2/3 of your comment toward berating the OP as being responsible for your perception of HN's decline.
- dannersy 2y agoI find it strange you took such a measured stance on my comment yet gave the OP a pass, despite it being far more "berating" than mine. As for a race to the bottom, it's as simple as embracing and unleashing AI despite its lack of quality or ability to produce a product worth anything. But since it's a force multiplier and cheaper (for the user at least, all these AI companies are operating at a loss, see Goldman and JP Morgan's report on the matter), therefore it is "good" and we need to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps; which in this context, I'm not entirely sure what that means.
- lijok 2y agoIt has been incredible to observe how subdued the populace has become with the proliferation of the internet.
- DiscourseFan 2y agoIt's definitely performance, you're right. Though it landed its effect.
- pilooch 2y agoIt's intended as a joke and a demonstration no ? Like this is exactly the type of text and words that a commercial grade LLM would never let you generate :) At least that's how I got that comment...