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This is excellent news! Remember, if you buy a copy of a good, you’re entitled to enjoy it as long as you wish to. If the seller steals it back from you, it’s e
by kstrauser 2y ago
This is excellent news! Remember, if you buy a copy of a good, you’re entitled to enjoy it as long as you wish to. If the seller steals it back from you, it’s ethical to acquire a replacement copy.
The law may say differently, but you cannot convince me that I don’t own something I bought through a “buy” button. I’ve never seen a book or movie or game or album where the button says “License” instead of “Buy”.
- montagg 2y ago"Unlock."
- kstrauser 2y agoAt least that implies that the good is capable of being locked. “Buy” says that I’m buying the thing.
- boltzmann-brain 2y agoIndeed, the idea of ownership is a basic natural concept that lawyers are trying to erase with newspeak and nonsensical hidden terms. It's a concept that's been unchanged for millions of years, even before humans existed. If you disagree with me, try taking a bone away from a dog chewing on it. It even goes back to single-cell organisms: even the mitochondrium is just [a cell owned by another cell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiogenesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiogenesis).
- dietr1ch 2y agoAnd can you sell it afterwards?
- ozgrakkurt 2y agoYou should be able to if it is being advertised as “buy”. They should just say gain access to use it or something like that if they are not really selling anything.
- Pedro_Ribeiro 2y agoThe gaming industry is not ready for that discussion yet, but you absolutely should be able to.
- m01 2y agoIt's being discussed in courts, see e.g. https://www.eurogamer.net/french-court-rules-steam-users-have-right-to-resell-their-games https://www.eurogamer.net/french-court-rules-steam-users-hav....
- ajnin 2y agoIf you're in the EU, you can : https://www.clarionsolicitors.com/articles/reselling-used-software-licences-new-ruling-from-the-european-court https://www.clarionsolicitors.com/articles/reselling-used-so... It might be difficult in practice though, with platforms like Steam providing no means to actually resell a game to someone else.
- 2Gkashmiri 2y agocase in point amazon kindle and "buy"
- philistine 2y ago"Get."
- HeuristicsCG 2y agoBut you bought a license to use the game. If you had truly bought the game you would be within your legal right to resell it (via copying to 100 people), which you are not.
- jonhohle 2y agoYou bought one license to the game which should be resellable exactly once by the purchaser.
- jchw 2y agoIn the physical world you buy physical copies of things. Certainly in the digital world, you could buy digital copies.
- baq 2y agoI like the distinction - pirating isn't stealing, licensing isn't buying. Clear and concise.
- boltzmann-brain 2y agothat's like saying if you bought a title to a bridge you would be within your legal right to resell it (via copying the title 100 times with a photo copier). it's all just whatever people agree upon is the correct thing to do, and people don't agree that what you're saying is the correct thing to do.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago>people don't agree that what you're saying is the correct thing to do. Other than the current written law (which is very, very, influenced by corporate lobbyists), how are you coming to this conclusion?
- boltzmann-brain 2y agoi wasn't talking about written law, i was talking about what people agree with. the law is something separate from that.
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- Larrikin 2y agoYou are buying an experience on that night. Similar to buying food at a restaurant You aren't buying a bad faith argument.
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- philistine 2y agoNo, you're literally buying an entry ticket. If you were buying an experience, you could sue because the beer was not to your taste.
- kstrauser 2y agoIf I go to an online store and buy a paperback, they will mail me a copy of it that I may keep for the rest of my life. I can read it 100 times if I want to. Before this law, I could go through that exact process to get a e-book, but then they could come back later and revoke my ability to read the e-book that I “bought”. Those two cannot use the same word. They are not the same class of transaction. The latter is more like a rental or lease. They both live behind a “buy” button, though. If I’m told I’m buying an e-book, and the seller later steals it from me by making it unreadable, I have no qualms about obtaining a replacement copy through other channels. I already paid for it; I’m going to have and enjoy it.
- alehlopeh 2y agoYou’re asking me to remember something that you explicitly state is your personal opinion?
- s0ss 2y agoRather, he’s saying if someone sold something to you, you get to use it. I don’t think any further analysis of this comment will yield anything more. Money can be exchanged for goods and services. (And licenses, but don’t obscure that point in the fine print.)