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The land owning gentry ofc. People still mistakenly romanticize the French revolution being about the poor killing the rich by guillotine, when it was actually

The land owning gentry ofc. People still mistakenly romanticize the French revolution being about the poor killing the rich by guillotine, when it was actually the rich nobility (land owning gentry) getting the royalty beheaded via the publics' uprising. Same with the Russian revolution that got the Romanovs killed and replaced by the Soviets.

dangitman 2y ago
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api 2y ago
Most such conflicts are not the haves vs the have-nots but the just-gots vs the already-hads -- new money vs. old money. Most of the enlightenment-era revolutions in Europe were the newly minted mercantile rich overthrowing the old medieval rich and the Church of Rome. The US revolution was the colonial rich throwing off the yoke of the British crown and its taxes.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  Pretty much. It's just the poor getting new management.
  - api 2y ago
    Sometimes there are improvements for the poor though. My speculation there would be that the just-gots include some people who were poor recent enough that they or their immediate ancestors remember it. Class turnover is often a good thing.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >Class turnover is often a good thing. The results of the communist revolutions, especially in Russia, would beg to differ. Instead of being oppressed by the monarchy like they were before, the common people were then oppressed by the soviets. Whoop-de-do. You still have a gun to your head it's just who's behind the trigger that's different. Would you also apply this logic today? As in, would like a new class turnover in the country you live in hopes to fix the rampant wealth inequality? Because I don't think the poor would end up killing and robbing the likes of Trump, Biden, Zuckerberg, Bezos or Musk, but most likely the likes of you and me. Getting new management isn't always a good idea. The rich have the resources to move their wealth and be welcomed somewhere safe like Switzerland or Monaco, while only the poor have to suffer the consequences of the uprising.
progre 2y ago
The french gentry very deliberately wanted a American style liberal revolution. But by the time the guillotine was rolled out, the revolution had turned into something they had 0 control over. Not to say it was in the hands of the peasants either of course.

dangitman 2y ago

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api 2y ago

Most such conflicts are not the haves vs the have-nots but the just-gots vs the already-hads -- new money vs. old money. Most of the enlightenment-era revolutions in Europe were the newly minted mercantile rich overthrowing the old medieval rich and the Church of Rome. The US revolution was the colonial rich throwing off the yoke of the British crown and its taxes.

Rinzler89 2y ago
Pretty much. It's just the poor getting new management.
- api 2y ago
  Sometimes there are improvements for the poor though. My speculation there would be that the just-gots include some people who were poor recent enough that they or their immediate ancestors remember it. Class turnover is often a good thing.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >Class turnover is often a good thing. The results of the communist revolutions, especially in Russia, would beg to differ. Instead of being oppressed by the monarchy like they were before, the common people were then oppressed by the soviets. Whoop-de-do. You still have a gun to your head it's just who's behind the trigger that's different. Would you also apply this logic today? As in, would like a new class turnover in the country you live in hopes to fix the rampant wealth inequality? Because I don't think the poor would end up killing and robbing the likes of Trump, Biden, Zuckerberg, Bezos or Musk, but most likely the likes of you and me. Getting new management isn't always a good idea. The rich have the resources to move their wealth and be welcomed somewhere safe like Switzerland or Monaco, while only the poor have to suffer the consequences of the uprising.

progre 2y ago

The french gentry very deliberately wanted a American style liberal revolution. But by the time the guillotine was rolled out, the revolution had turned into something they had 0 control over. Not to say it was in the hands of the peasants either of course.