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> ... Tesla is providing battery storage. This supports my theory that Elon has become a right wing warrior in order to gain credibility and political capital

> ... Tesla is providing battery storage. This supports my theory that Elon has become a right wing warrior in order to gain credibility and political capital in right wing states, allowing him to obtain massive contracts for electricity storage (and production, too?). And I think it's worked extremely well. 5+ years ago Tesla was a California, tech-weenie company, and that in itself is gonna keep a lot of doors closed in red states.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
The Gigafactory Nevada site was selected back in 2014. Tesla is just a leader in this space. They are still doing grid level storage in left leaning California. In fact, a project more than 10 times this big was just announced in California. https://www.intersectpower.com/tesla-provides-intersect-power-with-15-3-gwh-of-megapacks-for-solar-storage-projects/ https://www.intersectpower.com/tesla-provides-intersect-powe...
Loughla 2y ago
I think it's probably more likely that he became a right wing warrior because he was always that thing, but finally felt that he was untouchable.
- mustafa_pasi 2y ago
  To me it seems like the Democrats have a very weird hierarchy and Musk couldn't do any inroads there, because the incumbents at the top of that hierarchy consider him an outsider. So his options were to either suck it up and accept his status within hierarchy, or champion a Republican candidate which, if elected, would immediately propel him to the very front of the decision making.
  - Loughla 2y ago
    Again, it's a theory. But I'm still saying it's WAY more plausible that he felt empowered to do whatever he wantedn instead of masking.
    - cma 2y ago
      Lots of people seem to flip hard right after #metoo calls out their behavior. Musk had the horse for handjob thing and announced he was a Republican something like the day before it published after they had contacted him about it for the story.
  - ericd 2y ago
    Maybe he just got tired of dems doing stuff like saying that GM had been leading the way on EVs, and not mentioning Tesla at all, because it wasn’t politically expedient? Or trying to structure the rebates to benefit the big 3 more than Tesla. Etc etc.
    - XorNot 2y ago
      If your moral principles will be abandoned because people won't suck up to you enough for having them, they aren't moral principles.
      - ericd 2y ago
        Who said anything about morality? Do you usually favor people who are habitually unfair to you? He has a few companies that he needs to lead, and being cut out of portions of federal rebates because they want to curry favor with unions directly harms his efforts. That’s probably the main reason, but it’s just got to be especially grating when that decision is couched in patriotic language, and your company is making cars that are much more “Made in America” than any of your competitors.
        matthewdgreen 2y ago
        The credits are structured to bring battery and EV manufacturing on-shore, which is pretty crucial to the US for a bunch of reasons. They require a percentage of the battery materials to come from the US or allied nations, and final manufacturing to be done here. Some Tesla vehicles initially didn’t qualify because they were made in China. As of July of this year I believe all Teslas except for one model are now eligible for the full credit. ETA: As I recall, Tesla had used up its $7500 credits from previous legislation (prior to the IRA) because they had sold so many cars. The new legislation restored the full $7500 and was basically a gift to Tesla in that sense. Turning this into a victim story for Tesla really does not make sense.
        ericd 2y ago
        Ah I wasn’t aware that any US Teslas were coming from China, I thought those all went to Europe/Asia, while we mostly got Fremont/Austin. I was referring to the period when there was a piecemeal credit amount based on a few factors, one of which, iirc, was having final assembly conducted in a unionized factory. They have of course been massive beneficiaries of federal subsidies, including a massive boost early on from the DOE Loan Programs Office, this isn’t to say they’ve been a victim overall, but it seems there’s been an attitude shift, and the legacy carmakers are getting more love from the current admin despite contributing only token efforts to the transition.
threeseed 2y ago
> This supports my theory that Elon has become a right wing warrior in order to gain credibility and political capital in right wing states Tesla is facing securities and wire fraud charges by the DOJ and SEC over their FSD claims. He would be looking at jail time given his previous run-ins with the SEC. Trump can make all of that go away.
- harry8 2y ago
  I don't know the answer but it seems like a reasonable question to ask: "Would he be facing those charges presently if he was the no. 1 public voice of democrat orthodoxy?" Maybe he would. Maybe we all suffer from Gell-Mann amnesia knowing how corrupt it all is when we turn the page and get concerned about maybe the tribe you dislike more will get power, which they always will in a 2 party system. I don't care for Elon or his politics. I am convinced that entrenched and accepted corruption is the biggest threat to continuing to have a democracy. Right there exists a cross-partisan rage that someone will tap and ride to power. Let's hope they're not genuinely evil.
beeflet 2y ago
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s1artibartfast 2y ago

The Gigafactory Nevada site was selected back in 2014. Tesla is just a leader in this space. They are still doing grid level storage in left leaning California. In fact, a project more than 10 times this big was just announced in California. https://www.intersectpower.com/tesla-provides-intersect-power-with-15-3-gwh-of-megapacks-for-solar-storage-projects/ https://www.intersectpower.com/tesla-provides-intersect-powe...

Loughla 2y ago

I think it's probably more likely that he became a right wing warrior because he was always that thing, but finally felt that he was untouchable.

mustafa_pasi 2y ago
To me it seems like the Democrats have a very weird hierarchy and Musk couldn't do any inroads there, because the incumbents at the top of that hierarchy consider him an outsider. So his options were to either suck it up and accept his status within hierarchy, or champion a Republican candidate which, if elected, would immediately propel him to the very front of the decision making.
- Loughla 2y ago
  Again, it's a theory. But I'm still saying it's WAY more plausible that he felt empowered to do whatever he wantedn instead of masking.
  - cma 2y ago
    Lots of people seem to flip hard right after #metoo calls out their behavior. Musk had the horse for handjob thing and announced he was a Republican something like the day before it published after they had contacted him about it for the story.
- ericd 2y ago
  Maybe he just got tired of dems doing stuff like saying that GM had been leading the way on EVs, and not mentioning Tesla at all, because it wasn’t politically expedient? Or trying to structure the rebates to benefit the big 3 more than Tesla. Etc etc.
  - XorNot 2y ago
    If your moral principles will be abandoned because people won't suck up to you enough for having them, they aren't moral principles.
    - ericd 2y ago
      Who said anything about morality? Do you usually favor people who are habitually unfair to you? He has a few companies that he needs to lead, and being cut out of portions of federal rebates because they want to curry favor with unions directly harms his efforts. That’s probably the main reason, but it’s just got to be especially grating when that decision is couched in patriotic language, and your company is making cars that are much more “Made in America” than any of your competitors.
      - matthewdgreen 2y ago
        The credits are structured to bring battery and EV manufacturing on-shore, which is pretty crucial to the US for a bunch of reasons. They require a percentage of the battery materials to come from the US or allied nations, and final manufacturing to be done here. Some Tesla vehicles initially didn’t qualify because they were made in China. As of July of this year I believe all Teslas except for one model are now eligible for the full credit. ETA: As I recall, Tesla had used up its $7500 credits from previous legislation (prior to the IRA) because they had sold so many cars. The new legislation restored the full $7500 and was basically a gift to Tesla in that sense. Turning this into a victim story for Tesla really does not make sense.
        ericd 2y ago
        Ah I wasn’t aware that any US Teslas were coming from China, I thought those all went to Europe/Asia, while we mostly got Fremont/Austin. I was referring to the period when there was a piecemeal credit amount based on a few factors, one of which, iirc, was having final assembly conducted in a unionized factory. They have of course been massive beneficiaries of federal subsidies, including a massive boost early on from the DOE Loan Programs Office, this isn’t to say they’ve been a victim overall, but it seems there’s been an attitude shift, and the legacy carmakers are getting more love from the current admin despite contributing only token efforts to the transition.

threeseed 2y ago

> This supports my theory that Elon has become a right wing warrior in order to gain credibility and political capital in right wing states Tesla is facing securities and wire fraud charges by the DOJ and SEC over their FSD claims. He would be looking at jail time given his previous run-ins with the SEC. Trump can make all of that go away.

harry8 2y ago
I don't know the answer but it seems like a reasonable question to ask: "Would he be facing those charges presently if he was the no. 1 public voice of democrat orthodoxy?" Maybe he would. Maybe we all suffer from Gell-Mann amnesia knowing how corrupt it all is when we turn the page and get concerned about maybe the tribe you dislike more will get power, which they always will in a 2 party system. I don't care for Elon or his politics. I am convinced that entrenched and accepted corruption is the biggest threat to continuing to have a democracy. Right there exists a cross-partisan rage that someone will tap and ride to power. Let's hope they're not genuinely evil.

beeflet 2y ago

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