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To be fair, I'd prefer not to give the cancer cells extra batteries.

by tjohns 2y ago

adamredwoods 2y ago
A common goal, but tumors mutate and bypass a lot of normal cell functions. Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve-tumors-death/ https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve... https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows-promise-for-starving-out-cancer-cells/ https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows... https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer-into-submission/ https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer...
- alexey-salmin 2y ago
  > Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. That's something I don't understand. If cancer cells grow faster then I suppose they should be more affected by the lack of nutrients. I know that this model is too simplistic to be true, but I don't know what exactly is missing from it.
Zelphyr 2y ago
In truth, it's usually the opposite when our bodies are fueled properly.
- hansvm 2y ago
  I thought I remembered something about certain nutrients (magnesium?) being something you could intentionally reduce to slow down cancer growth -- kind of like a DIY chemotherapy; your cells need Mg to grow and multiply, but cancer cells need it more. Paired with other treatments, where applicable, the reduced nutrient diet had positive clinical outcomes.
- parineum 2y ago
  Define "quality nutrition" and cite a source.
  - bitcoin_anon 2y ago
    My health has been improving by eating according to this book: https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr
  - fhieufn 2y ago
    "Quality nutrition" is any scientifically backed research results on good health. Here is a resource that uses research to back up its claims: https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference-values https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference... And it has a good tool to find and meet those results: https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm
    - parineum 2y ago
      The comment I was replying to made a specific claim that I was referring to. Regarding your definition of quality nutrition, you'll have to be more specific. You can find scientific research to support nearly any dietary choice.
- nradov 2y ago
  Really? Most clinical trials for nutritional therapy as a cancer treatment haven't produced significant results.
  - fhieufn 2y ago
    This is a surprising position. Can you link to any? Everything I have read on the subject says obesity, a nutritional imbalance, is one of the main contributors to cancer growth, and specifically a reduction in sugar and meat have significant positive results in combating cancer's growth. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9559313/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9559313/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9775518/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9775518/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/0470869976.ch16 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/0470869976....
    - nradov 2y ago
      There is no reliable evidence that red meat consumption increases cancer risk. You are spreading medical misinformation by incorrectly interpreting low-quality observational studies.
    - ericmcer 2y ago
      Weird I feel like I read the opposite, that a high protein/fat diet would slow cancer because it thrives on glucose, so cutting carbs/sugar was key. It seems counter intuitive to me that meat & sugar would both be correlated because they are almost opposites from a metabolic standpoint. One is pure fat/protein and one is just glucose.
    - adamredwoods 2y ago
      We might know what causes some growth, but it's not homogeneous, and we certainly can't stop it with diet alone once it starts. https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2019/10/keto-fat-cancer-its-complicated.html https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2019/10/keto-f... >> But Mukherjee’s August 2018 paper in Nature also found that a ketogenic diet was helpful — even “synergistic” — with certain cancers and certain treatments. At least in mice. >> “It’s probably most helpful in cancers that utilize the PIK3CA / AKT / MTOR pathway [an intracellular signaling pathway]”

To be fair, I'd prefer not to give the cancer cells extra batteries.

by tjohns 2y ago

To be fair, I'd prefer not to give the cancer cells extra batteries.

A common goal, but tumors mutate and bypass a lot of normal cell functions. Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve-tumors-death/ https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve... https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows-promise-for-starving-out-cancer-cells/ https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows... https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer-into-submission/ https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer...

alexey-salmin 2y ago
> Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. That's something I don't understand. If cancer cells grow faster then I suppose they should be more affected by the lack of nutrients. I know that this model is too simplistic to be true, but I don't know what exactly is missing from it.

Zelphyr 2y ago

In truth, it's usually the opposite when our bodies are fueled properly.

hansvm 2y ago
I thought I remembered something about certain nutrients (magnesium?) being something you could intentionally reduce to slow down cancer growth -- kind of like a DIY chemotherapy; your cells need Mg to grow and multiply, but cancer cells need it more. Paired with other treatments, where applicable, the reduced nutrient diet had positive clinical outcomes.
parineum 2y ago
Define "quality nutrition" and cite a source.
- bitcoin_anon 2y ago
  My health has been improving by eating according to this book: https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr
- fhieufn 2y ago
  "Quality nutrition" is any scientifically backed research results on good health. Here is a resource that uses research to back up its claims: https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference-values https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference... And it has a good tool to find and meet those results: https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm
  - parineum 2y ago
    The comment I was replying to made a specific claim that I was referring to. Regarding your definition of quality nutrition, you'll have to be more specific. You can find scientific research to support nearly any dietary choice.
nradov 2y ago
Really? Most clinical trials for nutritional therapy as a cancer treatment haven't produced significant results.
- fhieufn 2y ago
  This is a surprising position. Can you link to any? Everything I have read on the subject says obesity, a nutritional imbalance, is one of the main contributors to cancer growth, and specifically a reduction in sugar and meat have significant positive results in combating cancer's growth. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9559313/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9559313/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9775518/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9775518/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/0470869976.ch16 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/0470869976....
  - nradov 2y ago
    There is no reliable evidence that red meat consumption increases cancer risk. You are spreading medical misinformation by incorrectly interpreting low-quality observational studies.
  - ericmcer 2y ago
    Weird I feel like I read the opposite, that a high protein/fat diet would slow cancer because it thrives on glucose, so cutting carbs/sugar was key. It seems counter intuitive to me that meat & sugar would both be correlated because they are almost opposites from a metabolic standpoint. One is pure fat/protein and one is just glucose.
  - adamredwoods 2y ago
    We might know what causes some growth, but it's not homogeneous, and we certainly can't stop it with diet alone once it starts. https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2019/10/keto-fat-cancer-its-complicated.html https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2019/10/keto-f... >> But Mukherjee’s August 2018 paper in Nature also found that a ketogenic diet was helpful — even “synergistic” — with certain cancers and certain treatments. At least in mice. >> “It’s probably most helpful in cancers that utilize the PIK3CA / AKT / MTOR pathway [an intracellular signaling pathway]”