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FYI if you need a CDN you can get bulk pricing from fastly with a monthly commitment. I'm not sure if their hosting works for you because you might be serving

by mannyv 2y ago

FYI if you need a CDN you can get bulk pricing from fastly with a monthly commitment. I'm not sure if their hosting works for you because you might be serving byte ranges. I think we're paying 2k/month usd for like 300TB/month. Backblaze-to-fastly is free, so no egress. Love your project, more power to you. I'll be using this for a few side projects for sure.

hyperknot 2y ago
At Hetzner, the bandwidth is unlimited in theory. In practice, there are stories of terminating accounts of those who used too much. I don't think this project will ever make $2k per month. TBH, I'd be happy it it ever reaches $200 per month. I have to be very careful about what hosting providers to use and CDNs are out of the question.
- e12e 2y ago
  If I were running fastly, I'd donate bandwidth so that you would implement turn-key, bring-your-api-key fastly support to your open source setup! As for other cdns - I remember https://neocities.org/ https://neocities.org/ built their own cdn - but I couldn't immediately find a blog post about the cdn, or something related in their GitHub (unless every node runs part of it, which would make sense, I guess).
  - mannyv 2y ago
    That's true: they do sponsor projects, as does cloudflare. They could use you as a PoC/demo for their serverless stuff. Same with cloudflare. It's worth it to ask. I can send you the contact for our fastly rep if you'd like.
- mannyv 2y ago
  The problem with hetzner, or any point solution, is that at some point you will saturate your bandwidth - either on the network or storage side. Maybe it's worth front-ending it with cloudflare free, just to see/measure cache hits/requests/bandwidth?
  - hyperknot 2y ago
    Cloudflare Free is a good idea, but I'm afraid they'd be the one who limit me before. There is a comment in this thread who did 150 TB+ on Hetzner. I don't believe Cloudflare Free would allow 150 TB, not alone 300 TB in a month (I use two servers currently).
- wongarsu 2y ago
  I don't think it's still offered anywhere in the web interface, but Hetzner offers servers with 10Gbit uplink, with traffic charged at 1€/TB. Depending on resource usage this can be more cost effective than renting multiple servers, and paying for your traffic should prevent account termination for excessive traffic use. https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/network/10g-uplink/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/network/10g-...
j45 2y ago
I wonder if other CDNs can help. In addition to Cloudflare, bunny was on the radar too.
- hyperknot 2y ago
  Bunny is also $10-$60/TB/month. I believe Hetzner should not have any problem with using 100 mbps out of the 1 Gbps on their servers. That's 30 TB/month for free, per server. It'd be $300-$1800 per month on Bunny.
  - tiluha 2y ago
    For this use case i would use the bunny volume tier which is $5/TB
    - bauruine 2y ago
      That's still an order of magnitude more than what you can get with rented servers. I pay between 0.2 and 0.4 per TB doing nearly 2000TB a month.
      - j45 2y ago
        Agreed. Getting a dedicated fibre link colocated is a great way to backfill and push the free tiers of CDNS. Just like the cloud becoming easier to run on your own environments, tons of bandwidth is accessible too.

by mannyv 2y ago

hyperknot 2y ago

At Hetzner, the bandwidth is unlimited in theory. In practice, there are stories of terminating accounts of those who used too much. I don't think this project will ever make $2k per month. TBH, I'd be happy it it ever reaches $200 per month. I have to be very careful about what hosting providers to use and CDNs are out of the question.

e12e 2y ago
If I were running fastly, I'd donate bandwidth so that you would implement turn-key, bring-your-api-key fastly support to your open source setup! As for other cdns - I remember https://neocities.org/ https://neocities.org/ built their own cdn - but I couldn't immediately find a blog post about the cdn, or something related in their GitHub (unless every node runs part of it, which would make sense, I guess).
- mannyv 2y ago
  That's true: they do sponsor projects, as does cloudflare. They could use you as a PoC/demo for their serverless stuff. Same with cloudflare. It's worth it to ask. I can send you the contact for our fastly rep if you'd like.
mannyv 2y ago
The problem with hetzner, or any point solution, is that at some point you will saturate your bandwidth - either on the network or storage side. Maybe it's worth front-ending it with cloudflare free, just to see/measure cache hits/requests/bandwidth?
- hyperknot 2y ago
  Cloudflare Free is a good idea, but I'm afraid they'd be the one who limit me before. There is a comment in this thread who did 150 TB+ on Hetzner. I don't believe Cloudflare Free would allow 150 TB, not alone 300 TB in a month (I use two servers currently).
wongarsu 2y ago
I don't think it's still offered anywhere in the web interface, but Hetzner offers servers with 10Gbit uplink, with traffic charged at 1€/TB. Depending on resource usage this can be more cost effective than renting multiple servers, and paying for your traffic should prevent account termination for excessive traffic use. https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/network/10g-uplink/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/network/10g-...

j45 2y ago

I wonder if other CDNs can help. In addition to Cloudflare, bunny was on the radar too.

hyperknot 2y ago
Bunny is also $10-$60/TB/month. I believe Hetzner should not have any problem with using 100 mbps out of the 1 Gbps on their servers. That's 30 TB/month for free, per server. It'd be $300-$1800 per month on Bunny.
- tiluha 2y ago
  For this use case i would use the bunny volume tier which is $5/TB
  - bauruine 2y ago
    That's still an order of magnitude more than what you can get with rented servers. I pay between 0.2 and 0.4 per TB doing nearly 2000TB a month.
    - j45 2y ago
      Agreed. Getting a dedicated fibre link colocated is a great way to backfill and push the free tiers of CDNS. Just like the cloud becoming easier to run on your own environments, tons of bandwidth is accessible too.