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This is why good quality nutrition is so important. It's like giving all of our cells--not just T cells--extra batteries.

vaylian 2y ago
How is this related to the number of mitochondria in a cell?
- agumonkey 2y ago
  I believe that the opposite is useful, fasting -> autophagy -> improved mitochondrial health (not sure). Maybe that's what parent tried to say.
tjohns 2y ago
To be fair, I'd prefer not to give the cancer cells extra batteries.
- adamredwoods 2y ago
  A common goal, but tumors mutate and bypass a lot of normal cell functions. Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve-tumors-death/ https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve... https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows-promise-for-starving-out-cancer-cells/ https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows... https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer-into-submission/ https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer...
  - alexey-salmin 2y ago
    > Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. That's something I don't understand. If cancer cells grow faster then I suppose they should be more affected by the lack of nutrients. I know that this model is too simplistic to be true, but I don't know what exactly is missing from it.
- Zelphyr 2y ago
  In truth, it's usually the opposite when our bodies are fueled properly.
  - hansvm 2y ago
    I thought I remembered something about certain nutrients (magnesium?) being something you could intentionally reduce to slow down cancer growth -- kind of like a DIY chemotherapy; your cells need Mg to grow and multiply, but cancer cells need it more. Paired with other treatments, where applicable, the reduced nutrient diet had positive clinical outcomes.
  - parineum 2y ago
    Define "quality nutrition" and cite a source.
    - bitcoin_anon 2y ago
      My health has been improving by eating according to this book: https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr
    - fhieufn 2y ago
      "Quality nutrition" is any scientifically backed research results on good health. Here is a resource that uses research to back up its claims: https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference-values https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference... And it has a good tool to find and meet those results: https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm
      - parineum 2y ago
        The comment I was replying to made a specific claim that I was referring to. Regarding your definition of quality nutrition, you'll have to be more specific. You can find scientific research to support nearly any dietary choice.
  - nradov 2y ago
1oooqooq 2y ago
nah. let's base the entire world diet on numbers of calories, provided by crops which are collected annually or biannually so we can have an efficient futures market :thumbsupemoji
- tekla 2y ago
  Yep, we prefer to keep people alive first since its hard to care about the health and well being of dead people.
  - 1oooqooq 2y ago
    i can't tell if you lost critical thinking entirely or trolling
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vaylian 2y ago

How is this related to the number of mitochondria in a cell?

agumonkey 2y ago
I believe that the opposite is useful, fasting -> autophagy -> improved mitochondrial health (not sure). Maybe that's what parent tried to say.

tjohns 2y ago

To be fair, I'd prefer not to give the cancer cells extra batteries.

adamredwoods 2y ago
A common goal, but tumors mutate and bypass a lot of normal cell functions. Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve-tumors-death/ https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/study-unveils-new-way-starve... https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows-promise-for-starving-out-cancer-cells/ https://news.feinberg.northwestern.edu/2024/05/02/drug-shows... https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer-into-submission/ https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/01/30/starving-cancer...
- alexey-salmin 2y ago
  > Keep in mind that when dying cancer patients starve in the end, the tumors don't slow. That's something I don't understand. If cancer cells grow faster then I suppose they should be more affected by the lack of nutrients. I know that this model is too simplistic to be true, but I don't know what exactly is missing from it.
Zelphyr 2y ago
In truth, it's usually the opposite when our bodies are fueled properly.
- hansvm 2y ago
  I thought I remembered something about certain nutrients (magnesium?) being something you could intentionally reduce to slow down cancer growth -- kind of like a DIY chemotherapy; your cells need Mg to grow and multiply, but cancer cells need it more. Paired with other treatments, where applicable, the reduced nutrient diet had positive clinical outcomes.
- parineum 2y ago
  Define "quality nutrition" and cite a source.
  - bitcoin_anon 2y ago
    My health has been improving by eating according to this book: https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr https://a.co/d/2dHgtQr
  - fhieufn 2y ago
    "Quality nutrition" is any scientifically backed research results on good health. Here is a resource that uses research to back up its claims: https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference-values https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/dietary-reference... And it has a good tool to find and meet those results: https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm
    - parineum 2y ago
      The comment I was replying to made a specific claim that I was referring to. Regarding your definition of quality nutrition, you'll have to be more specific. You can find scientific research to support nearly any dietary choice.
- nradov 2y ago

1oooqooq 2y ago

nah. let's base the entire world diet on numbers of calories, provided by crops which are collected annually or biannually so we can have an efficient futures market :thumbsupemoji

tekla 2y ago
Yep, we prefer to keep people alive first since its hard to care about the health and well being of dead people.
- 1oooqooq 2y ago
  i can't tell if you lost critical thinking entirely or trolling

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