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At least they're trying to view the tablet as a multipurpose PC, as opposed to Apple who believe such things are abhorrent.

hulitu 2y ago
> At least they're trying to view the tablet as a multipurpose PC, Maybe in their marketing materials. Trying to do something useful on an Android tablet is painfull. The on screen keyboard uses half of your screen.
emsy 2y ago
Imagine the iPad with an actual OS. Unfathomable.
- talldayo 2y ago
  We only have to wait for Apple to invent (and appropriately price) the technology for a Bootcamp 2. Until then, it simply cannot be done.
  - freedomben 2y ago
    Nobody is asking for that or compatibility with texting Android phones. Just buy your mom an iPhone.
refulgentis 2y ago
Don't read too much into it, it's not about the principle insomuch as its about the efficiency of killing off Chrome OS to merge it into Android, and a continual game of whac-a-mole to woo Samsung execs so they don't put too much investment into software. It'll work about as well as the years of efforts to get devs to do apps the Google way in time for the Pixel Tablet launch.
jsheard 2y ago
The fact that newer iPads use the exact same silicon as MacBooks is just insult to injury. There's a grown-up computer hidden inside but you're not allowed to use it.
- LegitShady 2y ago
  I wonder how much of the total BOM on say an ipad pro the cpu really is
- gedy 2y ago
  Talking off the cuff, it feels to me like Apple is trying/tried to hail back to the early days of the Mac where there is no hierarchical file system and "files" concept is minimized in favor of apps that correspond 1:1 with a file to edit or view. I'd say past 40 years proves this model is not what people want, but they are so persistent about not doing a normal file-focused UI that it feels intentional. Like some directive from Steve before he passed.
  - andai 2y ago
    I love the iPod as a physical object, but it always hurt not being able to just put files on it. (Not to even mention the "you have to sync and wipe your entire iPod library" situation.) I ended up putting Rockbox on my iPod Classic, which makes it be what it actually is: an MP3 player! (Alas the UI is not as pleasant, and battery life is worse...) Similarly I've been so confused about files on my iPhone, whereas on Android I never had any confusion (except on some newer versions where there's both a Documents folder and a Documents "smart view" which are indistinguishable except when you realize nothing makes any sense and you ended up in the screen that's trying to give you an Apple-like files experience for some reason, and then you navigate back to the actual file system and are actually able to find your files...)
  - freedomben 2y ago
    I actually disagree, I think the success of the iPhone has proven Apple correct that people don't want to deal with "files." Personally I despise it, but as iPhones have become nearly ubiquitous in the US, I can't help but feel the sting of being in a minority group that actually wants a general purpose computer rather than an "appliance"
    - idle_zealot 2y ago
      You can't really evoke revealed preference here; there's a lot of incentive for platform builders to lean away from general-purpose use and towards appliance-ification, and there's no real option on the market for consumers to flock to if they want a capable general-purpose pocket computer.

hulitu 2y ago

> At least they're trying to view the tablet as a multipurpose PC, Maybe in their marketing materials. Trying to do something useful on an Android tablet is painfull. The on screen keyboard uses half of your screen.

emsy 2y ago

Imagine the iPad with an actual OS. Unfathomable.

talldayo 2y ago
We only have to wait for Apple to invent (and appropriately price) the technology for a Bootcamp 2. Until then, it simply cannot be done.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Nobody is asking for that or compatibility with texting Android phones. Just buy your mom an iPhone.

refulgentis 2y ago

Don't read too much into it, it's not about the principle insomuch as its about the efficiency of killing off Chrome OS to merge it into Android, and a continual game of whac-a-mole to woo Samsung execs so they don't put too much investment into software. It'll work about as well as the years of efforts to get devs to do apps the Google way in time for the Pixel Tablet launch.

jsheard 2y ago

The fact that newer iPads use the exact same silicon as MacBooks is just insult to injury. There's a grown-up computer hidden inside but you're not allowed to use it.

LegitShady 2y ago
I wonder how much of the total BOM on say an ipad pro the cpu really is
gedy 2y ago
Talking off the cuff, it feels to me like Apple is trying/tried to hail back to the early days of the Mac where there is no hierarchical file system and "files" concept is minimized in favor of apps that correspond 1:1 with a file to edit or view. I'd say past 40 years proves this model is not what people want, but they are so persistent about not doing a normal file-focused UI that it feels intentional. Like some directive from Steve before he passed.
- andai 2y ago
  I love the iPod as a physical object, but it always hurt not being able to just put files on it. (Not to even mention the "you have to sync and wipe your entire iPod library" situation.) I ended up putting Rockbox on my iPod Classic, which makes it be what it actually is: an MP3 player! (Alas the UI is not as pleasant, and battery life is worse...) Similarly I've been so confused about files on my iPhone, whereas on Android I never had any confusion (except on some newer versions where there's both a Documents folder and a Documents "smart view" which are indistinguishable except when you realize nothing makes any sense and you ended up in the screen that's trying to give you an Apple-like files experience for some reason, and then you navigate back to the actual file system and are actually able to find your files...)
- freedomben 2y ago
  I actually disagree, I think the success of the iPhone has proven Apple correct that people don't want to deal with "files." Personally I despise it, but as iPhones have become nearly ubiquitous in the US, I can't help but feel the sting of being in a minority group that actually wants a general purpose computer rather than an "appliance"
  - idle_zealot 2y ago
    You can't really evoke revealed preference here; there's a lot of incentive for platform builders to lean away from general-purpose use and towards appliance-ification, and there's no real option on the market for consumers to flock to if they want a capable general-purpose pocket computer.