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It was a multi-year operation to get to the place where they could sell the targets the mined devices. Google hasn't got that kind of time horizon. Who is your
by h2odragon 2y ago
It was a multi-year operation to get to the place where they could sell the targets the mined devices. Google hasn't got that kind of time horizon.
Who is your enemy and why do they want to hurt you? Is anyone really concerned that mass market consumer devices have command detonated explosives in them already? I mean, other than the iphones?
- 34679 2y agoIsrael's official X account tweeted that they consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists. So it is apparently incredibly easy to become the enemy of Israel without breaking any laws or hurting anyone. That should concern everyone. edit for source: https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435 https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435
- gruez 2y ago>Israel's official X account tweeted that they consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists Source?
- 34679 2y agohttps://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435 https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435
- gruez 2y agoThanks. The quoted tweet mentions "videos", and is actually a thread of multiple posts. You have to be signed in to see them, or use a nitter proxy[1]. If you look at those videos, it's clear that they're not calling the protesters "terrorists" for merely protesting, they're calling them "terrorists" for engaging in behavior such as intimidating jewish students or praising the October 7th attacks. It's slightly misleading to round that off to "protesting Israel's actions in Gaza". [1] https://xcancel.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927143758262389 https://xcancel.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927143758262389
- jedimind 2y agoNice deflection but you're arguing in bad faith. The OP is correct, since although the official Israel account is quote tweeting Shai Davidai, the most shameless zionist hasbarist on twitter, Israel's tweet is still self contained and is clearly trying to demonize and vilify the protestors as terrorists based on their "ideology" i.e. fighting back against your colonizer and oppressor is "terrorism" because any opposition to the racist colonial enterprise that is Israel has to be demonized and delegitimized by Zionists while they themselves engage in blatant terrorism. Israel's propaganda is so awful and lazy that it has become predictable. They will always hyperfocus on fringe cases, even manufacture such cases if they don't exist, in order to delegitimize the whole protest. And anyone who actually followed the protests carefully has witnessed that Zionists were the aggressors trying to intimidate anyone who opposes Israel's actions in Gaza in any shape or form. Furthermore, the "they were intimidating jewish students" narrative has become so laughable at this point because zionists perceive any opposition to Israel as "intimidating" and so they are abusing the jewish identity as a shield to protect the israeli apartheid entity from criticism. People are sick and tired of this game because they have seen zionists playing these sick and twisted mind games for decades.
- gruez 2y agoI never claimed that those videos are representative of all anti-israel protests, or that either accounts aren't engaging in bad faith argumentation, but at the end of the day, the linked tweet does not substantiate the object level question of "[israel] consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists". The examples might be cherry picked, but it's a stretch to claim that a thread calling the worst protesters "terrorists" actually means they think all anti-israel protesters are "terrorists". Cherry picking is bad, but two wrongs don't make a right.
- jedimind 2y agoIt's not a stretch by any means - you are bending over backwards to sanitize the most obvious propaganda to vilify and demonize protesting students at columbia by hyperfocusing on the fringe and leveraging that to delegitimize the whole. It's a pattern of propaganda in which Israel engages in regularly, one of their favorite strategies in fact. Both Israel's official account and Shai applied their smears indiscriminately, so there is no reason why I would need to interpret either tweet charitably since they are both primarily engaged in propaganda.
- kylebenzle 2y agoReport that tweet for the hate speech and violence it is.
- _cenw 2y agoThe word "terrorist" is very overloaded in Israeli politics. To anyone right of Likud (or even Likud itself) it can even include opposition leaders and arab citizens.
- jacknews 2y agoquite indicative
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- slibhb 2y agoDo you really think Israel is going to try to blow up Columbia students? If not, what is the point of your post?
- kylebenzle 2y agoIsrael would 100% "blow up Columbia students" if they happens to be in the wrong side of the border at the wrong time. That's exactly the problem, Israel murdering wholesale students so other students are standing up tonight them while people like you ignore and defer.
- weatherlite 2y agoAre there many instances of American citizens (students or non students) being killed by Israel? I would say no. I know of a few and they are very famous because its quite rare to happen. I'd even guess there are more American Israelis that got killed by Palestinians.
- aguaviva 2y agoIn recent years not so rare. Americans killed directly by the IDF: - Mar 16 2003: Rachel Corrie - May 11 2022: Shireen Abu Akleh killed, very in a likely targeted attack - Sep 6 2024: Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, also likely targeted And 2 American teenagers recently killed by settlers (who act as an extension of the Israeli government): - Jan 19 2024 - Tawfic Hafeth Abdel Jabbar, 17 - [0] - Feb 10 2024 - Mohammad Khdour, 17 - [1] Meanwhile we have some 31 American citizens killed by Hamas since Oct 7 - [2] The numbers are quite different. However it is deeply significant that Israel is supposed to be one of America's top allies (and the US is definitely Israel's "bestie" by far), yet its government has obfuscated and/or outright lied about a 5 incidents above. And except for Corrie, all 4 were shot in the head. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tawfic_Abdel_Jabbar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tawfic_Abdel_Jabbar [1] - Who Killed Palestinian-American Teen Mohammad Khdour - https://archive.md/PgRrf https://archive.md/PgRrf [2] - https://abcnews.go.com/US/americans-killed-israel-hamas-war/story?id=103829720 https://abcnews.go.com/US/americans-killed-israel-hamas-war/... - The article is from October 2023, and since then there've been at least 2 more: Gadi Haggai and Hersh Goldberg-Polin
- kylebenzle 2y agoLol, it's been "antisemitic" to not fully support Israel for 20 years. They've been playing this game for a really long time and so it's no surprise they think they'll keep getting away with it forever.
- _cenw 2y agoThat's because Likud has been unable to build a coalition with anyone but far right splinters. So there are now people in power that want the same kind of religious nationalist state as the furthest right depths of the GOP (or maybe not to deep, considering Project 2025). This is not likely to last through the next election, looking at polls.
- za3faran 2y agoIt doesn't work anymore, especially after what's been happening the past year.
- weatherlite 2y agoAre these U.S students? The prominent figure in the video has his face entirely covered and it is known that many non students went to these events. I can't tell from that video whether these people supported terrorism or not, it's not quite clear. I would say that calling for 'freeing Palestine from the river to the sea' doesn't leave much room for non violence.
- lultimouomo 2y ago> Who is your enemy and why do they want to hurt you It seems like the perfect occasion to quote Mickens' immortal words: > Basically, you’re either dealing with Mossad or not-Mossad. If your adversary is not-Mossad, then you’ll probably be fine if you pick a good password and don’t respond to emails from ChEaPestPAiNPi11s@ virus-basket.biz.ru. If your adversary is the Mossad, YOU’RE GONNA DIE AND THERE’S NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. The Mossad is not intimidated by the fact that you employ https:// https://. If the Mossad wants your data, they’re going to use a drone to replace your cellphone with a piece of uranium that’s shaped like a cellphone, and when you die of tumors filled with tumors, they’re going to hold a press conference and say “It wasn’t us” as they wear t-shirts that say “IT WAS DEFINITELY US,” and then they’re going to buy all of your stuff at your estate sale so that they can directly look at the photos of your vacation instead of reading your insipid emails about them. https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf
- monroeclinton 2y agoIf they are that competent then it implies they let October 7th and September 11th happen. My know-nothing take is that given the funds, lack of morals, and government support they can pull off some actions that benefit them, but let’s not act like it is more than it is.
- ss64 2y agoSurely no government would ever lie about something like that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
- esafak 2y agoIt would be weird if no government saw it coming. Some people clearly anticipated it: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885 https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885
- hnbad 2y agoDon't confuse ruthlessness for competence. Israel does a lot of things because it knows it can get away with them. Israel is also known for spreading blatant disinformation. Occam's Razor suggests they were unprepared for the Oct 7 attack because they simply didn't see it coming even if they knew Hamas was up to something. When having terrorist organisations shoot bottle rockets at you or have their members blow themselves up is a common occurrence and your tolerance of collateral damage in your military counter-attacks is so high that you've continuously killed an order of magnitude more people in your counter-attacks every year while maintaining a much higher ratio of civilians casualties per military target, you don't actually need good intel because your mode of response defaults to "just kill 10x as many of them as they killed of us".
- jsnell 2y agoI'm curious about why you're bringing Google into this. Is there some reason you think they'd totally be running a loosely targeted mass assassination program, except that they just can't plan ahead far enough? That is such an out of the left field thing to lead with that I thought the article must have brought up this possibility somehow. But that doesn't seem to be the case either.
- h2odragon 2y agoWell I didn't wanna say "Oracle" cuz it aint healthy to piss them folks off
- jsnell 2y agoI guess I'd just then have asked the same question about Oracle. Why would you expect them to be compromising supply chains to kill people, except for their supposed limited planning horizon? It seems like an equally odd point to make of any company. We don't actually live in a cyberpunkish dystopia of sovereign corporations. While it's reasonable to expect large companies to have their own intelligence operations - they are huge targets, after all - I find it hard to believe that any of them would run any kind of spook field operation in general, and definitely not anything this offensive.
- h2odragon 2y agoand yet: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/ebay-hit-with-3m-fine-admits-to-terrorizing-innocent-people/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/ebay-hit-with-3m... others have made the point; we're not in a different world than we were a few months ago. the perception of the world we are, and have been in; may have changed for some. i don't have a specific reason to name a particular company as more likely than any other to be ready to deploy direct violence in pursuit of shareholder value. I speak with cynical observation that if a capability exists, someone will find a use for it.
- Electricniko 2y agoI don't know how difficult it would be to detect these in customs, but I'm thinking more of an organization posing as a fly by night Amazon/Aliexpress/Temu seller who wants to cause some chaos in a country.
- jacknews 2y agoNo way huawei etc would pull such a stunt.