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I'd also suggest people to take a look at Dokku, it's a very mature project with a similar scope and was discussed here a few weeks ago: https://news.ycombinat

by dewey 2y ago

I'd also suggest people to take a look at Dokku, it's a very mature project with a similar scope and was discussed here a few weeks ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41358020 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41358020 I wrote up my own experiences too (https://blog.notmyhostna.me/posts/selfhosting-with-dokku-and-docker-compose https://blog.notmyhostna.me/posts/selfhosting-with-dokku-and...) and I can only recommend it. It is ~3 commands to set up an app, and one push to deploy after that.

rgrieselhuber 2y ago
I've kept a list of these tools that I've been meaning to check out. In scope, do they cover securing the instance? Is there any automation for creating networks of instances?
- dewey 2y ago
  > In scope, do they cover securing the instance? Most of these I checked don't, but a recent Ubuntu version is perfectly fine to use as-is. > Is there any automation for creating networks of instances? Not that I'm aware, it would also defeat the purpose of these tools a bit that are supposed to be simple. (Dokku is "just" a shell script).
mimischi 2y ago
Been using dokku for probably 8 years now? (or something close to that; it used to be written entirely in bash!) Hosting private stuff on it, and an application at $oldplace probably also still runs on this solid setup. Highly recommended, and the devs are a great sport!
FloatArtifact 2y ago
Part of me dies every time I see projects not integrating robust restoring and backup systems.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  None of my hobby projects across 15 years or so have ever needed backups or restoring. I can agree it would be nice to have, but it’s a far cry from necessary.
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    So when your drives finally die you'll just going to shrug it good bye? If you have your code stashed somewhere else than thats already backup.
- dewey 2y ago
  Providing robust restoring and backup systems for a system that allows to run any kind of workload is almost impossible. You'd have to provide database backups for all versions of all databases, correct file backup for the volumes etc. It feels much more dangerous to have such a system instead in place and provide false sense of security. Users know best what kind of data they need to backup, where they want to back it up, if it needs to be encrypted or not, if it needs to be daily or weekly etc.
  - sgarland 2y ago
    ZFS. Snapshot the entire filesystem, ship it off somewhere. Done. At worst, Postgres is slow to startup from the snapshot because it thinks it’s recovering from a crash.
    - GauntletWizard 2y ago
      Postgres is recovering from a crash if it's reading from a ZFS snapshot. It probably did have several of it's database writes succeed that it wasn't certain of, and others fail that it also wasn't certain of, and those might not have been "in order". That's why WAL files exist, and it needs to fully replay them.
    - prmoustache 2y ago
      Most projects/products can survive a few seconds of downtime to have a clean snapshot.
oulipo 2y ago
What would be the best between Dokku / Dokploy / Coolify?
- dewey 2y ago
  Depends on what you prefer. I went with Dokku as for me it was important that I could run docker-compose based apps along side with my "Dokku managed" apps. I didn't want to convert my existing apps (Sonarr, Radarr etc.) into Dokku apps and only use Dokku for my web projects. I also wanted to be able to remove Dokku if needed and everything would continue to run as before. Both of these work very well with Dokku.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I tried many, but eventually kept running on Portainer. Best part is that I can just dump whole docker-compose.yml files in and it just works.
- vickodin 2y ago
  Also: Kamal, CapRover
mightymoud 2y ago
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by dewey 2y ago

rgrieselhuber 2y ago

I've kept a list of these tools that I've been meaning to check out. In scope, do they cover securing the instance? Is there any automation for creating networks of instances?

dewey 2y ago
> In scope, do they cover securing the instance? Most of these I checked don't, but a recent Ubuntu version is perfectly fine to use as-is. > Is there any automation for creating networks of instances? Not that I'm aware, it would also defeat the purpose of these tools a bit that are supposed to be simple. (Dokku is "just" a shell script).

mimischi 2y ago

Been using dokku for probably 8 years now? (or something close to that; it used to be written entirely in bash!) Hosting private stuff on it, and an application at $oldplace probably also still runs on this solid setup. Highly recommended, and the devs are a great sport!

FloatArtifact 2y ago

Part of me dies every time I see projects not integrating robust restoring and backup systems.

Aeolun 2y ago
None of my hobby projects across 15 years or so have ever needed backups or restoring. I can agree it would be nice to have, but it’s a far cry from necessary.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  So when your drives finally die you'll just going to shrug it good bye? If you have your code stashed somewhere else than thats already backup.
dewey 2y ago
Providing robust restoring and backup systems for a system that allows to run any kind of workload is almost impossible. You'd have to provide database backups for all versions of all databases, correct file backup for the volumes etc. It feels much more dangerous to have such a system instead in place and provide false sense of security. Users know best what kind of data they need to backup, where they want to back it up, if it needs to be encrypted or not, if it needs to be daily or weekly etc.
- sgarland 2y ago
  ZFS. Snapshot the entire filesystem, ship it off somewhere. Done. At worst, Postgres is slow to startup from the snapshot because it thinks it’s recovering from a crash.
  - GauntletWizard 2y ago
    Postgres is recovering from a crash if it's reading from a ZFS snapshot. It probably did have several of it's database writes succeed that it wasn't certain of, and others fail that it also wasn't certain of, and those might not have been "in order". That's why WAL files exist, and it needs to fully replay them.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    Most projects/products can survive a few seconds of downtime to have a clean snapshot.

oulipo 2y ago

What would be the best between Dokku / Dokploy / Coolify?

dewey 2y ago
Depends on what you prefer. I went with Dokku as for me it was important that I could run docker-compose based apps along side with my "Dokku managed" apps. I didn't want to convert my existing apps (Sonarr, Radarr etc.) into Dokku apps and only use Dokku for my web projects. I also wanted to be able to remove Dokku if needed and everything would continue to run as before. Both of these work very well with Dokku.
Aeolun 2y ago
I tried many, but eventually kept running on Portainer. Best part is that I can just dump whole docker-compose.yml files in and it just works.
vickodin 2y ago
Also: Kamal, CapRover

mightymoud 2y ago

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