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Yeah it all sounds to me like the 'coders' are getting driven out by senior developers using llms. Trend should continue until big tech stops subsidizing the g

Yeah it all sounds to me like the 'coders' are getting driven out by senior developers using llms. Trend should continue until big tech stops subsidizing the gpu farms, at which point bootcamp coders may become competitive again.

glimshe 2y ago
Boot camp coders are an artifact of the low interest rate environment. Until we see low interest rates again, it's unlikely that there will be a significant market for people with superficial experience in Software Engineering.
- namaria 2y ago
  Zirp drove demand of low quality code. LLMs drive supply. Bootcampers are being squeezed on both sides, and remote work adds foreign competition on all levels of competency. Zirp also drove supply of capital. Inflated cloud and now gpu farm business. In the absence of gpu farms churning out code, it drove demand for bootcampers. If normal interest rates deflate supply of capital, it will also deflate supply of automatically produced low quality code, so it should be possible that normal interest rates actually accelerate a reverse to mean as in structural demand for low quality code supplied by bootcampers primarily. Inflated pay for low quality code was an artifact of zirp. Supply and demand should settle at a place where bootcampers are not getting rich anymore which sounds more normal.
orwin 2y ago
I was successful using llms to greatly help me on writing tests, on the front-end for simple components (they cant understand simple FSM we use on our page), or on the back-end to write what I would call 'gadgets' functions (I know, sec people, it's not what gadget really are, sorry), but as soon as you have a bit of complexity or domain-specific knowledge, they fall on their face. In the end, I might be 10-20% more effective now that I know in which cases llms are helpful, but clearly they won't replace anybody soon, as long as your product is complex enough.

glimshe 2y ago

Boot camp coders are an artifact of the low interest rate environment. Until we see low interest rates again, it's unlikely that there will be a significant market for people with superficial experience in Software Engineering.

namaria 2y ago
Zirp drove demand of low quality code. LLMs drive supply. Bootcampers are being squeezed on both sides, and remote work adds foreign competition on all levels of competency. Zirp also drove supply of capital. Inflated cloud and now gpu farm business. In the absence of gpu farms churning out code, it drove demand for bootcampers. If normal interest rates deflate supply of capital, it will also deflate supply of automatically produced low quality code, so it should be possible that normal interest rates actually accelerate a reverse to mean as in structural demand for low quality code supplied by bootcampers primarily. Inflated pay for low quality code was an artifact of zirp. Supply and demand should settle at a place where bootcampers are not getting rich anymore which sounds more normal.

orwin 2y ago

I was successful using llms to greatly help me on writing tests, on the front-end for simple components (they cant understand simple FSM we use on our page), or on the back-end to write what I would call 'gadgets' functions (I know, sec people, it's not what gadget really are, sorry), but as soon as you have a bit of complexity or domain-specific knowledge, they fall on their face. In the end, I might be 10-20% more effective now that I know in which cases llms are helpful, but clearly they won't replace anybody soon, as long as your product is complex enough.