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And you should consider that it's probably junk. From the article: A 2021 study empirically tested several of Graeber's claims, such as that bullshit jobs w

And you should consider that it's probably junk. From the article: A 2021 study empirically tested several of Graeber's claims, such as that bullshit jobs were increasing over time and that they accounted for much of the workforce. Using data from the EU-conducted European Working Conditions Survey, the study found that a low and declining proportion of employees considered their jobs to be "rarely" or "never" useful. Many jobs that appear bad are actually needed, often only because of regulatory requirements or because their importance is misunderstood.

whoknowsidont 2y ago
>study found that a low and declining proportion of employees considered their jobs to be "rarely" or "never" useful. These people are self-reporting this. Quite frankly with the number of people in bullshit jobs who think they're doing work I wouldn't really put a lot of value in those types of self-reports.
- leni536 2y ago
  "I Have People Skills! I Am Good At Dealing With People!"
krageon 2y ago
Spoken like one of the six managers every single person needs to have.
sensanaty 2y ago
These are self-reported, though. I wouldn't tell my boss or my colleagues the job I do is useless for hopefully obvious reasons, but when I really think about it in the grand scheme of things it really is a Bullshit Job. Basically any SaaS is (with some exceptions of course) just a collection of Bullshit Jobs. But there's also nothing really wrong with that. We live in the society we live in, which basically necessitates the existence of many Bullshit Jobs in order for things to keep working as they do. I'd even argue basically anything that isn't to do with Healthcare, Education or similar things along those lines count as bullshit jobs really.
itsoktocry 2y ago
>And you should consider that it's probably junk. From the article It's "probably junk" because some random EU survey in 2021 said so? >often only because of regulatory requirements Textbook "bullshit job" (that doesn't exist, of course).
consteval 2y ago
In my opinion, in today's world most jobs (at least office jobs) are "movers". They take something from point A to point B. Often you'll have a chain of movers A - Z. Each link can almost be it's own company depending on the industry. Naturally each thinks they're important, because someone has to move it around. Of course, you could go from A straight to Z and eliminate 25 companies. Point is many, maybe most, companies don't actually produce direct value. They facilitate and they move. Now that's much harder to analyze.

whoknowsidont 2y ago

>study found that a low and declining proportion of employees considered their jobs to be "rarely" or "never" useful. These people are self-reporting this. Quite frankly with the number of people in bullshit jobs who think they're doing work I wouldn't really put a lot of value in those types of self-reports.

leni536 2y ago
"I Have People Skills! I Am Good At Dealing With People!"

krageon 2y ago

Spoken like one of the six managers every single person needs to have.

sensanaty 2y ago

These are self-reported, though. I wouldn't tell my boss or my colleagues the job I do is useless for hopefully obvious reasons, but when I really think about it in the grand scheme of things it really is a Bullshit Job. Basically any SaaS is (with some exceptions of course) just a collection of Bullshit Jobs. But there's also nothing really wrong with that. We live in the society we live in, which basically necessitates the existence of many Bullshit Jobs in order for things to keep working as they do. I'd even argue basically anything that isn't to do with Healthcare, Education or similar things along those lines count as bullshit jobs really.

itsoktocry 2y ago

>And you should consider that it's probably junk. From the article It's "probably junk" because some random EU survey in 2021 said so? >often only because of regulatory requirements Textbook "bullshit job" (that doesn't exist, of course).

consteval 2y ago

In my opinion, in today's world most jobs (at least office jobs) are "movers". They take something from point A to point B. Often you'll have a chain of movers A - Z. Each link can almost be it's own company depending on the industry. Naturally each thinks they're important, because someone has to move it around. Of course, you could go from A straight to Z and eliminate 25 companies. Point is many, maybe most, companies don't actually produce direct value. They facilitate and they move. Now that's much harder to analyze.