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Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block
twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, rendering the block imposed by the Brazilian judiciary ineffective.
will Cloudflare block twitter on brazil?
- diegoholiveira 2y agoIt's really interesting that CloudFlare accepted X (Twitter) as a client knowing the fights Musk gets into.
- KTibow 2y agoThey probably gave a high quote that got paid anyway.
- tibbydudeza 2y agoHopefully in cold hard cash upfront.
- Barracoon 2y agoCloudflare was happy to host Kiwi Farms for a long time. I doubt they care what Musk does.
- jsheard 2y agoHosting Kiwi Farms wasn't likely to get Cloudflares ASN null-routed by the 7th most populous state on Earth though. There's the potential for serious collateral damage to Cloudflares business here if Brazil calls their bluff.
- username332211 2y agoNull-routing Cloudflare is also going to do a fair bit of collateral damage to the people of the 7th most populous state on Earth though. Considering the initial order of the Brazilian judiciary regarding VPN, this is almost certainly what Twitter hopes to achieve here.
- tmottabr 2y agoi doubt it will require null-routing Cloudflare.. they will probably get notified to block twitter in Brazil and will likely comply.
- username332211 2y agoWell, yes it's always possible that Cloudflare will comply with a demand to block Twitter. GP specifically raised the possibility of null-routing and I'm just pointing out it's probably not a good idea.
- Log_out_ 2y agoLike project golden shield damaged the chinese internet and handicapped lical grown buisnesses?
- username332211 2y agoRoskomnadzor's 2018 escapade with Telegram under a rather similar situation - their attempts to block it ended up taking out vast sections of the internet (for Russians) that didn't have anything to do with Telegram. Tying your service to vital internet infrastructure can work. It doesn't even have to be a particularly ironclad solution. In 2018, the powers that be in Russia decided it's cheaper to flood Telegram with their own propaganda, rather than block it.
- matheusmoreira 2y ago> Null-routing Cloudflare is also going to do a fair bit of collateral damage to the people of the 7th most populous state on Earth though. I wish... That sort of massive economic damage is exactly what this country deserves. It's gotten to the point I'm hoping Trump wins and sanctions this place for stealing millions from american companies via arbitrary fines.
- skarz 2y agoMANY piracy websites and even 4chan use Cloudflare. That’s nothing compared to X/Twitter.
- Tohhou 2y ago[flagged]
- Justsignedup 2y agoI cannot tell if you are being sarcastic.
- kingofthehill98 2y agoFree speech is not a law set in stone, in the US you can be a Nazi without any legal repercussions, here in Brazil you cannot. I'd like to keep it that way.
- exabrial 2y agoJust a short history lesson: Nazi's were the ones that burnt the books. You're welcome!
- dancemethis 2y agoYep, which is why Elmo sympathizers hate reading so much and send spam and hate propaganda forward.
- kingofthehill98 2y agoExactly, they were the ones burning books. I'd like to keep them prohibited from openly defending their ideology online or offline. If you're a Nazi the only place you belong is in a prison cell.
- exabrial 2y agoI support free speech. Please send the cops to my address for mere words that I said.
- jrflowers 2y agoI’m fascinated by folks that, upon seeing something mundane like “fuck nazis”, are compelled to post “Ho ho! You must mean me then!” Like, no? People online don’t know who you are or why you would feel targeted. Unless you know and care about the person making a point like that the post is literally just noise.
- exabrial 2y agoWe really need to avoid a future where censorship is regarded as a virtue and monopolized transit providers are "cancelled" or shamed into being the judge/jury/executioner. The far better solution is just to ignore stuff you don't agree with, go outside, and move on with life.
- kingofthehill98 2y ago[flagged]
- sunaookami 2y agoThe current state of Hacker News, where an audience that should know better advocates for censorship with vague reasons. No, censorship is never good, you are not able to have a free society with it.
- jaredcwhite 2y agolol, no we don't. Hosting providers have always had terms of service, and private enterprise does not need to adhere to government-level definitions of free speech.
- meiraleal 2y agoElon algorithmically censors me on twitter and makes everybody reads his xeets, this is the opposite of free speech, it is censorship and propaganda.
- kotaKat 2y agoGoogle Ads took Twitter on, too. Google now delivers ads directly into Twitter that /sort of/ look like tweets, but just off enough to tell they’re ads. The “Why this ad” sends you off to Google.
- more_corn 2y agoIn tomorrow’s news, Cloudflare blocked by Brazil.
- kingofthehill98 2y agoI'd say it's more likely that Cloudflare will receive a legal order to block X in Brazil.
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- pid-1 2y agoThen Twitter can migrate to AWS CloudFront.
- goofed 2y agoI doubt that any of those services would be willing to risk being fined or blocked in Brazil just to continue hosting X.com. X is the first and only company willing to prioritize values over revenue in this case.
- ferbass 2y agoIt seems like it is already done
- KomoD 2y agoLooks like they only use it in Brazil, everywhere else seems to resolve to regular Twitter IPs
- kingofthehill98 2y agoThen our Supreme Court will have to issue a legal order to Cloudflare, which has representatives in Brazil, to block X nation-wide. Blocking Cloudflare itself wouldn't make any sense as our country systems themselves would get hurt and I don't think Cloudflare will deny such order.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y agoIt's hard to see why Cloudflare would put themselves in this position if they're planning to back down when the order inevitably comes in. (Perhaps Twitter somehow did this without Cloudflare's cooperation - I wouldn't put that past them trying but I'd be surprised if it were possible.)
- kingofthehill98 2y agoDon't see why they would join this fight agains't Brazil. The money X Corp is paying them cannot be THAT great to justify losing all brazilian costumers and Cloudflare doesn't seem like a very ideology-driven company.
- beeflet 2y agoI think it would be about the matter of principle and demonstrating that they will defend their customer's interests.
- tmottabr 2y agoThey will defend their customer interests by staying able to do business in Brazil.. Lets remember that Twitter is not their only customer.. So if twitter has problem with some country justice it is their problem to solve, not a problem to be shared with every other Cloudflare customer.. Also, i doubt that they are making more money from Twitter then every other customer in Brazil added together..
- pjmlp 2y agoGood luck fighting countries, if Brazil is serious about this, it will be blocked again.
- tuyuri 2y agoWhen the block became effective, I asked how much it would cost to migrate to Cloudflare. It appears that it wasn’t that expensive, haha. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41406367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41406367
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoMigrated...what.. to Cloudflare?
- phoe-krk 2y agoTwitter, currently known as X.
- ChrisArchitect 2y agono I mean what part of twitter, the main application? We're saying it's running off of CF pages and workers now? Elsewhere I've seen only the t.co domain link shortening/forwarding... which could be a small worker app running there, not the main app. From what I can see some locations in Brazil route to CF, but not all. And only from x.com, not twitter.com
- vfclists 2y agoThe real question is whether is whether it is right for the judges of a country to block access to a service that the countries depend on. For instance in the UK the government can stop local media from publishing news that is considered libellous or defamatory, or may unjustly influence court cases, but they can't stop citizens from accessing that information if it is published in a news outlet outside the country. No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It seems rather excessive and an infringement of Brazilians rights, though that is not surprising when we live in a era when governments have taking upon themselves to decide what their citizens rights are, when human rights are supposed to be intrinsic, ie those that all fauna on the planet do.
- 13415 2y agoIt's the Supreme Court, not some random small claims court. That needs to be taken into account.
- PauloManrique 2y agoIt's still illegal.
- kingofthehill98 2y agoNo, it's not.
- PauloManrique 2y agoYes, it is. There's nothing in our laws that backs the judge ruling. And in Brazil, judges can ONLY DO what the law says, not what they think it's fair or what they want.
- meiraleal 2y agoIt is ilegal to be a criminal and those senators you are talking about? They will go to jail :) together with Bolsonaro. Fighting the legal system is the last strategy of convicted criminals
- goofed 2y agoWhy Elon didn't use the same strategy with China?
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- readyplayernull 2y ago"as many positions as the kamasutra" sounds like a good motto for Xwitter.
- tmottabr 2y agoBecause it does not work.. Sure, it makes technically harder to block.. But governments don't rely only technical solutions for problems.. China, like Brazil is doing, would order Cloudflare to block Twitter and they would have to choose either comply and help China block it, like they are doing in Brazil, or challenge and not comply and face the consequences and likely a full block.. Having Cloudflare fully blocked in both countries would be terrible for business as they have many other customers so it is economically best to comply and potentially loose one customer then challenge the order and loose the entire market..
- PauloManrique 2y agoBecause he's not questioning a law, he's questioning the judge not following the law.
- CLiED 2y agoI dunno, still down to me.
- goofed 2y agoDNS propagation can take a while. Some people couldn't access earlier and they can now.
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- jrflowers 2y agoLooks like Cloudflare has already agreed to block Twitter in Brazil. https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/andreza-matais/2024/09/18/anatel-recebe-apoio-de-empresa-americana-e-dispara-ordem-para-derrubar-x.htm https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/andreza-matais/2024/09/1...
- profpaz 2y ago[flagged]