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I created https://lowbackgroundsteel.ai/ https://lowbackgroundsteel.ai/ in 2023 as a place to gather references to unpolluted datasets. I'll add wordfreq. Pleas
by jgrahamc 2y ago
I created https://lowbackgroundsteel.ai/ https://lowbackgroundsteel.ai/ in 2023 as a place to gather references to unpolluted datasets. I'll add wordfreq. Please submit stuff to the Tumblr.
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoClever name. I like the analogy.
- freilanzer 2y agoI don't seem to get it.
- KeplerBoy 2y agoSteel made before atmospheric tests of nuclear bombs were a thing is referred to as low background steel and invaluable for some applications. LLMs pollute the internet like atomic bombs polluted the environment.
- cdman 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
- ziddoap 2y agoSteel without nuclear contamination is sought after, and only available from pre-war / pre-atomic sources. The analogy is that data is now contaminated with AI like steel is now contaminated with nuclear fallout. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel >Low-background steel, also known as pre-war steel[1] and pre-atomic steel,[2] is any steel produced prior to the detonation of the first nuclear bombs in the 1940s and 1950s. Typically sourced from ships (either as part of regular scrapping or shipwrecks) and other steel artifacts of this era, it is often used for modern particle detectors because more modern steel is contaminated with traces of nuclear fallout.[3][4]
- umvi 2y ago> and only available from pre-war / pre-atomic sources. From the same wiki you linked: "Since the end of atmospheric nuclear testing, background radiation has decreased to very near natural levels, making special low-background steel no longer necessary for most radiation-sensitive uses, as brand-new steel now has a low enough radioactive signature" and "For the most demanding items even low-background steel can be too radioactive and other materials like high-purity copper may be used"
- sergiotapia 2y agoreading stuff like this makes me so happy. no matter how fucked up something may be there is always a way to clean right up.
- felbane 2y agoglances nervously at atmospheric CO2
- genewitch 2y agothe easiest solution is growing dense vegetation including trees, then using that for things[0] or burying it until we have a better mitigation strategy for atmospheric carbon. Another solution, and one that, if i weren't such a lazy, is ocean based carbon binding. You can run electricity directly through ocean water and precipitate the carbon out as calcium carbonate, which is both: useful to humans as is and after processing; and useful to the coral reefs and crustaceans/mollusks or whatever in the oceans. If anyone wants to kick me about a million US dollars, i can make a POC on a used barge with solar panels and as much recycled material as possible, and have that just run off the coast of florida or something. I figure the total cost to get a barge is around a quarter million, all-in[1], the electronics and seawater stuff is about another $150-200 thousand, and the rest is mine for the idea and the lawyers' to get this approved and left alone to do the research. [0] burning it for heat is fine, as the net CO2 levels will remain constant, but i mean things like houses and boardwalks and boats, furniture, and so on. [1] could be more, now, the last time i was researching seaworthy barge costs it was between $100,000 and $200,000. I'm hoping there's someone that can donate the barge so i can make the rest more fit for purpose - redundancy, better solar, better mppt, better batteries, better materials for the electrodes (it takes platinum and titanium iirc, i haven't looked at my documents for a long while.)
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- AlphaAndOmega0 2y agoIt's a reference to the practise of scavenging steel from sources that were produced before nuclear testing began, as any steel produced afterwards is contaminated with nuclear isotopes from the fallout. Mostly ship wrecks, and WW2 means there are plenty of those. The pun in question is that his project tries to source text that hasn't been contaminated with AI generated material. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
- ms512 2y agoAfter the detonation of the first nuclear weapons, any newly produced steel has a low dose of nuclear fallout. For applications that need to avoid the background radiation (like physics research), pre atomic age steel is extracted, like from old shipwrecks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
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- GreenWatermelon 2y agoFrom the blog > Low Background Steel (and lead) is a type of metal uncontaminated by radioactive isotopes from nuclear testing. That steel and lead is usually recovered from ships that sunk before the Trinity Test in 1945.
- voytec 2y agoTo whomever downvoted parent: please don't act against people brave enough to state that they don't know something. This is a desired quality, increasingly less present in IT work environments. People afraid of being shamed for stating knowledge gaps are not the folks you want to work with.
- umvi 2y agoI feel like there's a minimum "due diligence" bar to meet though before asking, otherwise it comes across as "I'm too lazy to google the reference and connect the dots myself, but can someone just go ahead and distill a nice summary for me"
- waveBidder 2y agomodern polite way of saying rtfm
- voytec 2y agoIn this particular case, I was out of the loop regarding the clever analogy myself. I'm now a tad smarter because someone else expressed lack of understanding, and I learned from responses to this (grayed due to downvotes) comment.
- PhunkyPhil 2y agoThe problem is that the answer was a really easy google. I didn't know what low background steel was and I just googled it.
- cwillu 2y agoA person asking the question here means there are now several good succinct explanations of it here.
- input_sh 2y agoBut it's right there in the header, you could just click the link and find out on the top of the webpage.
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- imhoguy 2y agoI am not sure we should trust a site contaminated by AI graphics. /s
- whywhywhywhy 2y agoYeah pay an illustrator if this is important to you. See a lot of people upset about AI still using AI image generation because it's not in their field so they feel less strongly about it and can't create art themselves anyway, hypocritical either use it or don't but don't fuss over it then use it for something thats convenient for you.
- imhoguy 2y agoI have updated my comment with "/s" as that is closer to what I've meant. However, seriously, from ethical point of view it is unlikely illustrators were asked or compensated for their work being used for training AI to produce the image.
- heckelson 2y agoI thought the header image was a symbol of AI slop contamination because it looked really off-putting
- gorkish 2y agoThe buildings and shipping containers that store low background steel aren't built out of the stuff either.
- astennumero 2y agoThat's exactly the opposite of what the author wanted IMO. The author no more wants to be a part of this mess. Aggregating these sources would just makes it so much more easier for the tech giants to scrape more data.
- rovr138 2y agoThe sources are just aggregated. The source doesn't change. The new stuff generated does (and this is honestly already captured). This author doesn't generate content. They analyze data from humans. That "from humans" is the part that can't be discerned enough and thus the project can't continue. Their research and projects are great.
- iak8god 2y agoThe main concerns expressed in Robyn's note, as I read them, seem to be 1) generative AI has polluted the web with text that was not written by humans, and so it is no longer feasible to produce reliable word frequency data that reflects how humans use natural language; and 2) simultaneously, sources of natural language text that were previously accessible to researchers are now less accessible because the owners of that content don't want it used by others to create AI models without their permission. A third concern seems to be that support for and practice of any other NLP approaches is vanishing. Making resources like wordfreq more visible won't exacerbate any of these concerns.
- LeoPanthera 2y agoCongratulations on "shipping", I've had a background task to create pretty much exactly this site for a while. What is your cutoff date? I made this handy list, in research for mine: 2017: Invention of transformer architecture June 2018: GPT-1 February 2019: GPT-2 June 2020: GPT-3 March 2022: GPT-3.5 November 2022: ChatGPT You may want to add kiwix archives from before whatever date you choose. You can find them on the Internet Archive, and they're available for Wikipedia, Stack Overflow, Wikisource, Wikibooks, and various other wikis.
- jgrahamc 2y agoI was taking "Release of ChatGPT" as the Trinity date.
- ClassyJacket 2y ago:'( I thought I was clever for realising this parallel myself! Guess it's more obvious than I thought. Another example is how data on humans after 2020 or so can't be separated by sex because gender activists fought to stop recording sex in statistics on crime, medicine, etc.
- sweeter 2y ago[flagged]
- thebruce87m 2y agoI too realised this parallel and frequently tell people about it. Edit: just the first one
- Der_Einzige 2y agoFYI: My two datasets, DebateSum and OpenDebateEvidence/OpenCaseList in their current forms qualify for this, as they end at latest in 2022.
- jgrahamc 2y agoYou can either add them to the site yourself via Tumblr or send them to me via email (jgc@cloudflare).