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There are 100,000+ northern Israeli's who are refugees inside Israel because Hezbollah is firing hundred of rockets indiscriminately daily at civilian targets,

There are 100,000+ northern Israeli's who are refugees inside Israel because Hezbollah is firing hundred of rockets indiscriminately daily at civilian targets, but Israel doing something specifically targeted at higher level Hezbollah operatives makes you feel like Israel is doing exactly the same thing? All while you don't even yet know the reason for the Israeli op (was it to stop an imminent Hezbollah action? Seems odd that this also impacted so many operative in Syria, doesn't it? Why aren't people mentioning that this was larger than Lebanon?)

cornercasechase 2y ago
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- yadaeno 2y ago
  How is it ethnically cleansed if 20% of the Israeli population is native?
  - judahmeek 2y ago
    The percentage of native population used to be 100%, so I don't think pointing out the change in percentage really works in favor of your argument.
    - yadaeno 2y ago
      Doesn’t it depend on the time scale? If we are talking about pre-globalization many countries are no longer have a majority “native” population. (US, Japan, Taiwan, parts of Europe) and that is just the reality of human history. I think we have to decide on a time when the back and fourth geocoding between groups is no longer acceptable. Most of the world thinks it’s around the end of ww2 and the start of globalization, but are you contending that it should be later, and the Arabs should take back Israel?
    - olalonde 2y ago
      Not necessarily, this can happen with immigration alone. For example, French and English descendants used to form a much greater percentage of the Canadian population, yet they were not "ethnically cleansed".
      - ardfard 2y ago
        Yes, a flood of immigration combined with systematically displacing the local population. See the Nakba and Settler movement.
    - PixyMisa 2y ago
      Arabs are not native to that area.
  - FridayoLeary 2y ago
    By native i assume you mean arab. Not to mention that the infant mortality rate dropped something like 90% after the state was founded and the arab population is still growing at a huge rate.
- kjeetgill 2y ago
  Unfortunate typo. I assume you meant ethnically not ethically.
  - panarky 2y ago
    It's legible both ways.
  - cornercasechase 2y ago
    Thanks, fixed.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Ah so indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilians is OK if you like the reason for it. Heck of a stance to take.
- ghufran_syed 2y ago
  Sure, except Moses and the Jewish people were on the land around 1500 BC, and the Islamic religion didn't start until after 500 CE. So the Jewish people got there at least 2000 years earlier, so if we are doing the "who ethnically cleansed who" game, I think the Jewish people appear to be at most, reversing the previous ethnic cleansing? Or is there some kind of moral "expiry date" on ethnic cleansing?
  - cheeseomlit 2y ago
    The birth of Islam did not cause a whole new race of people to spring from the ground, some of their ancestors lived in the region as well. And according to the Torah the Jewish people who came to that region with Moses during the exodus had to fight off the caananites and philistines before they could settle, so apparently itd been occupied for a while- not that I'd put too much stock in the ancient history thats come down to us, certainly not enough to enforce modern territorial claims
  - ardfard 2y ago
    I think we can all agree that the ancient Roman and Byzantine empires were not exactly gold standards in protecting human rights. However, the fact that something was done to the Jews thousands of years ago does not make it acceptable to do the same to another population today.
  - treetalker 2y ago
    This is a pretty heated thread, and I’m not trying to fan any flames: the Assyrians and Sumerians were there before that. It always seemed a bit arbitrary to me to claim land based on whose religion started first — although not quite as arbitrary as “my God said it’s mine, so there.” Plus I believe they claimed that Ashur promised the land to them.
- jojobas 2y ago
  There are like 20% Arabs among Israel citizens. The are about 20 (not %, just 20) Jews in Lebanon. Who's ethnically cleansing whom again? Both Jews and Palestinian Arabs have legitimate claims against each other. The levels of barbarity in pursuing these claims is not even remotely comparable.
- light_hue_1 2y ago
  Violently expanding into Gaza? You don't know even the most basic facts. Israel left Gaza. It gave the Palestinians what they wanted. Their own area with no settlers. Israel forcefully removed all of its people from all of Gaza. In exchange they immediately voted in a terrorist organization as their government and began to attack Israel over and over again.
  - cornercasechase 2y ago
    Almost a million people are displaced in Gaza (violently) as we speak.
    - light_hue_1 2y ago
      How is this violently expanding into Gaza? That's like saying that during the us invasion of Iraq to replace the regime the US expanded into Iraq. It did not. The us didn't settle Iraq. I stand by my statement that people here talk with authority without knowing even the most basic facts.
      - cornercasechase 2y ago
        The US definitely violently expanded into Iraq. What Israel is doing is even more extreme.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Violently expanding into Gaza? Yes, very violently, and on a massively greater scale than before. Just ask the country's National Security Minister: Backing settlement, Ben Gvir says he’d be ‘very happy to live in Gaza’ after the war If ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians leave the Strip, ‘we will be able to bring in more and more people,’ minister says https://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-settlement-ben-gvir-says-hed-be-very-happy-to-live-in-gaza-after-the-war/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-settlement-ben-gvir-sa...
    - light_hue_1 2y ago
- PixyMisa 2y ago
  There are two million Arabs and Muslims living as citizens of Israel. They have more rights in Israel than they would in any Arab nation. Gaza was handed back entirely to Palestinian rule in 2005. Everything Jewish was removed, even graves.
r00fus 2y ago
Why? Why is Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel? You don't mention Gaza or Palestinians, yet it's right there (and been there for 75+ years).
- _blk 2y ago
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  - Aeolun 2y ago
    I think the desire to throw grenades over the fence comes more from the neighbor coming over the fence once in a while and murdering anything he finds.
  - ardfard 2y ago
    You forgot to mention your neighbor razed the yard and killed some relatives too. Throwing some Molotovs, while it may not justified, is still an expected reaction.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Hezbollah is firing rockets to conduct terrorism on the civilian population living in the area. Are you are OK with terrorism if you feel it's justified?
  - kombine 2y ago
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    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      Had Israel killed 15000 people when Hezbollah launched, I think it was 3000 rockets at civilians in an attempt to overwhelm Israel's iron dome defenses for civilians, during and immediately after Oct 7th, partnering with Hamas in ending the semi-peace that had been in place in order to kill the maximal amount if Israeli civilians/instill maximal fear? We are talking about those attacks on this thread about Lebanon.
gizajob 2y ago
Well, yesterday’s actions aren’t really gonna fix that situation for those 100,000 Israelis now though are they? It wasn’t designed to make that border region safer overnight because those rockets are going to keep coming even more often now. Hezbolah might even get so pissed off they go all out and rush the border.
- GordonS 2y ago
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  - raxxorraxor 2y ago
    It looks like Israel wants to be secure. It was attacked in October and since then retaliated to attacks. It is not a terrorist attack, it was an reaction of Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel. That are terror attacks. Something UN troops are supposed to stop, but that is another topic. You can look up what Hezbollah wants and that is nothing else than the elimination of Israel. The terror is almost exclusively one sided here and it is sourced from radical fundamentalism. And no, Israel doesn't not murder, rape and torture, that is purely projection.
    - gizajob 2y ago
      Personally I’m all for Israel’s security. I find it devastating how hard long term peace in the region seems to be, and how it keeps getting further and further away.
    - GordonS 2y ago
      > It is not a terrorist attack, it was an reaction of Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel It was literally a terrorist attack - it was designed to cause terror. If Hezbollah had done this to the Israeli government or even IDF reservists, I've no doubt that you would call it a terror attack. And why might Hezbollah be firing rockets onto Lebanese land illegally occupied by militant Israeli settlers, I wonder? Could it also have something to do with Israel launching unprovoked airstrikes in Lebanon?[0] Israel is the occupier, Israel is the aggressor - Israel needs to stop. > Something UN troops are supposed to stop That's ironic, given how many UN staff Israel has murdered since last October. > And no, Israel doesn't not murder, rape and torture, that is purely projection. I'm sorry, but you're either incredibly misinformed, or an that's an outright lie - even the UN says Israel has institutionalised the use of abuse, torture, sexual abuse and rape[1][2]. Even B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, agrees with this![3] I've read countless reports of Israel torturing Palestinian hostages - they are doing it on a huge scale, and in mind-bendingly evil ways. Israel is a sick, apartheid regime that must be stopped. [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/israel-launches-attacks-on-lebanon-hezbollah-launches-rockets-at-israel https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/israel-launches-att... [1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-esca... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-group-says-palestinian-prisoners-subject-systematic-abuse-2024-08-05/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-gro...

cornercasechase 2y ago

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yadaeno 2y ago
How is it ethnically cleansed if 20% of the Israeli population is native?
- judahmeek 2y ago
  The percentage of native population used to be 100%, so I don't think pointing out the change in percentage really works in favor of your argument.
  - yadaeno 2y ago
    Doesn’t it depend on the time scale? If we are talking about pre-globalization many countries are no longer have a majority “native” population. (US, Japan, Taiwan, parts of Europe) and that is just the reality of human history. I think we have to decide on a time when the back and fourth geocoding between groups is no longer acceptable. Most of the world thinks it’s around the end of ww2 and the start of globalization, but are you contending that it should be later, and the Arabs should take back Israel?
  - olalonde 2y ago
    Not necessarily, this can happen with immigration alone. For example, French and English descendants used to form a much greater percentage of the Canadian population, yet they were not "ethnically cleansed".
    - ardfard 2y ago
      Yes, a flood of immigration combined with systematically displacing the local population. See the Nakba and Settler movement.
  - PixyMisa 2y ago
    Arabs are not native to that area.
- FridayoLeary 2y ago
  By native i assume you mean arab. Not to mention that the infant mortality rate dropped something like 90% after the state was founded and the arab population is still growing at a huge rate.
kjeetgill 2y ago
Unfortunate typo. I assume you meant ethnically not ethically.
- panarky 2y ago
  It's legible both ways.
- cornercasechase 2y ago
  Thanks, fixed.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Ah so indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilians is OK if you like the reason for it. Heck of a stance to take.
ghufran_syed 2y ago
Sure, except Moses and the Jewish people were on the land around 1500 BC, and the Islamic religion didn't start until after 500 CE. So the Jewish people got there at least 2000 years earlier, so if we are doing the "who ethnically cleansed who" game, I think the Jewish people appear to be at most, reversing the previous ethnic cleansing? Or is there some kind of moral "expiry date" on ethnic cleansing?
- cheeseomlit 2y ago
  The birth of Islam did not cause a whole new race of people to spring from the ground, some of their ancestors lived in the region as well. And according to the Torah the Jewish people who came to that region with Moses during the exodus had to fight off the caananites and philistines before they could settle, so apparently itd been occupied for a while- not that I'd put too much stock in the ancient history thats come down to us, certainly not enough to enforce modern territorial claims
- ardfard 2y ago
  I think we can all agree that the ancient Roman and Byzantine empires were not exactly gold standards in protecting human rights. However, the fact that something was done to the Jews thousands of years ago does not make it acceptable to do the same to another population today.
- treetalker 2y ago
  This is a pretty heated thread, and I’m not trying to fan any flames: the Assyrians and Sumerians were there before that. It always seemed a bit arbitrary to me to claim land based on whose religion started first — although not quite as arbitrary as “my God said it’s mine, so there.” Plus I believe they claimed that Ashur promised the land to them.
jojobas 2y ago
There are like 20% Arabs among Israel citizens. The are about 20 (not %, just 20) Jews in Lebanon. Who's ethnically cleansing whom again? Both Jews and Palestinian Arabs have legitimate claims against each other. The levels of barbarity in pursuing these claims is not even remotely comparable.
light_hue_1 2y ago
Violently expanding into Gaza? You don't know even the most basic facts. Israel left Gaza. It gave the Palestinians what they wanted. Their own area with no settlers. Israel forcefully removed all of its people from all of Gaza. In exchange they immediately voted in a terrorist organization as their government and began to attack Israel over and over again.
- cornercasechase 2y ago
  Almost a million people are displaced in Gaza (violently) as we speak.
  - light_hue_1 2y ago
    How is this violently expanding into Gaza? That's like saying that during the us invasion of Iraq to replace the regime the US expanded into Iraq. It did not. The us didn't settle Iraq. I stand by my statement that people here talk with authority without knowing even the most basic facts.
    - cornercasechase 2y ago
      The US definitely violently expanded into Iraq. What Israel is doing is even more extreme.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Violently expanding into Gaza? Yes, very violently, and on a massively greater scale than before. Just ask the country's National Security Minister: Backing settlement, Ben Gvir says he’d be ‘very happy to live in Gaza’ after the war If ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians leave the Strip, ‘we will be able to bring in more and more people,’ minister says https://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-settlement-ben-gvir-says-hed-be-very-happy-to-live-in-gaza-after-the-war/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-settlement-ben-gvir-sa...
  - light_hue_1 2y ago
PixyMisa 2y ago
There are two million Arabs and Muslims living as citizens of Israel. They have more rights in Israel than they would in any Arab nation. Gaza was handed back entirely to Palestinian rule in 2005. Everything Jewish was removed, even graves.

r00fus 2y ago

Why? Why is Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel? You don't mention Gaza or Palestinians, yet it's right there (and been there for 75+ years).

_blk 2y ago
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- Aeolun 2y ago
  I think the desire to throw grenades over the fence comes more from the neighbor coming over the fence once in a while and murdering anything he finds.
- ardfard 2y ago
  You forgot to mention your neighbor razed the yard and killed some relatives too. Throwing some Molotovs, while it may not justified, is still an expected reaction.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Hezbollah is firing rockets to conduct terrorism on the civilian population living in the area. Are you are OK with terrorism if you feel it's justified?
- kombine 2y ago
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  - km3r 2y ago
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  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Had Israel killed 15000 people when Hezbollah launched, I think it was 3000 rockets at civilians in an attempt to overwhelm Israel's iron dome defenses for civilians, during and immediately after Oct 7th, partnering with Hamas in ending the semi-peace that had been in place in order to kill the maximal amount if Israeli civilians/instill maximal fear? We are talking about those attacks on this thread about Lebanon.

gizajob 2y ago

Well, yesterday’s actions aren’t really gonna fix that situation for those 100,000 Israelis now though are they? It wasn’t designed to make that border region safer overnight because those rockets are going to keep coming even more often now. Hezbolah might even get so pissed off they go all out and rush the border.

GordonS 2y ago
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- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  It looks like Israel wants to be secure. It was attacked in October and since then retaliated to attacks. It is not a terrorist attack, it was an reaction of Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel. That are terror attacks. Something UN troops are supposed to stop, but that is another topic. You can look up what Hezbollah wants and that is nothing else than the elimination of Israel. The terror is almost exclusively one sided here and it is sourced from radical fundamentalism. And no, Israel doesn't not murder, rape and torture, that is purely projection.
  - gizajob 2y ago
    Personally I’m all for Israel’s security. I find it devastating how hard long term peace in the region seems to be, and how it keeps getting further and further away.
  - GordonS 2y ago
    > It is not a terrorist attack, it was an reaction of Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel It was literally a terrorist attack - it was designed to cause terror. If Hezbollah had done this to the Israeli government or even IDF reservists, I've no doubt that you would call it a terror attack. And why might Hezbollah be firing rockets onto Lebanese land illegally occupied by militant Israeli settlers, I wonder? Could it also have something to do with Israel launching unprovoked airstrikes in Lebanon?[0] Israel is the occupier, Israel is the aggressor - Israel needs to stop. > Something UN troops are supposed to stop That's ironic, given how many UN staff Israel has murdered since last October. > And no, Israel doesn't not murder, rape and torture, that is purely projection. I'm sorry, but you're either incredibly misinformed, or an that's an outright lie - even the UN says Israel has institutionalised the use of abuse, torture, sexual abuse and rape[1][2]. Even B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, agrees with this![3] I've read countless reports of Israel torturing Palestinian hostages - they are doing it on a huge scale, and in mind-bendingly evil ways. Israel is a sick, apartheid regime that must be stopped. [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/israel-launches-attacks-on-lebanon-hezbollah-launches-rockets-at-israel https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/israel-launches-att... [1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-esca... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-group-says-palestinian-prisoners-subject-systematic-abuse-2024-08-05/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-gro...